Hello everybody and welcome.
Welcome to Yin-care®’s podcast.
With Margaret Jacobson, myself, The Mother Rising.
Today, I’m so excited to bring to you, Katherine Nevin, she is the host of In Real Life and Katherine’s Sewing channels on YouTube.
She is a content creator, artist, and a crunchy mother of five. She teaches natural historical hair care practices that can drastically improve hair health, and she creates handmade historical corsets, vintage clothing, and handmade shoes, which is pretty amazing. She lives on a farm on Manitoulin Island in Canada with her husband and her five children with the fifth being only months old people.
She loves bringing nature into every aspect of her life and connecting with her femininity and you can find her best on her YouTube channels, blog, and Instagram, and we will show you all of that.
So without further ado, everybody welcome Katherine to the Yin-care® podcast. It’s so great to have you here. Thanks for having me.
Absolutely.
I’m so excited as we sort of mentioned before, my best friend, Susan, had been watching you for a long time.
And she’s been actually following your hair care, you know, historical hair care stuff for probably about six months. And She always has these like amazing hair doos that she’s doing. And finally, one day, I was like, what are you doing? How do you even do all of that with your hair.
I have no idea. It’s so cool. She’s like, well I I’ve been trying to, you know, I’ve been following this woman on YouTube, you should check her out. And I was just like you had me at the beginning.
You know? Oh, that’s so sweet.
It’s so nice to hear these stories. Cause when you’re on YouTube, it seems like it just going out into the ether sometimes, but it’s nice to hear real life stories. Yeah. Absolutely. And so I started, you know, actually implementing some of them, and we can chat about that.
You know, a bit as well, which was really actually super surprising to me how effective just small changes were. Like, I was really afraid.
I had tried not washing my hair very often in the past and I had, gosh.
I could go, like, I think, like, two or three days is what I felt like, but I hadn’t really pushed it. And, with the purchase of that boar hairbrush and using that consistently, it was super easy to push that out to a week.
Oh, yeah. It’s amazing. It’s like a dry shampoo in a brush. Yep. Yeah. That’s true.
Yeah.
They’re really cool.
Life Changes and Moving to the Country
So you so let’s just talk about your recent. We’ll get into all of that, but recently you moved. You were in a in a city life and you made the move to a country, to a country life. I guess back home. Right? Back home. Yes.
Yeah. So that was a big change. It was something that in hindsight was sort of brewing for at least a couple years.
Where we were wanting to be closer to family and our reasons that we’d initially had for moving so far away and moving to the city didn’t really seem to hold water as much for our lives anymore.
And especially once my fifth child was born, just this past March. It was like her birth flipped a switch in my mind and in my heart. And it I just I wanted to be back home. I wanted to be in the country. I wanted to be close to my family.
And actually that same month that she was born my grandmother passed away. Oh, wow. And so I feel like those two events combined really just made me feel like I wanted to be closer to my family, closer to my roots and in nature.
And I could picture my daughter. I would, like, look into her little newborn face and I could, like, picture her as an older girl running around on the beach, swimming in the lakes just like how I had done growing up. Right. Right.
And I just knew I wanted that. But we had no concrete plan to actually move because it’s a big packing up and moving, and we didn’t know where to go.
There’s not a lot of real estate availability here on Manitoulin. Wow.
So we’re thinking maybe we would buy land eventually and build something. Uh-huh. But then, maybe, like, just over a month after we had this conversation with my parents about potentially moving back. I phoned up my dad one day and I was like, hey, how are you doing?
He’s like, oh, we’re just here, you know, the family’s here. We’re all just talking about your property. And I’m like, what do you mean our property? And he was like, you know, that property around the corner from us with the blue house and, it actually used to be a clown school on this farm.
Really? That’s so cool. So they have an extra big studio building that they had the school in. And he said, you know, this property is not listed yet, but it’s just come up for sale.
And I think it would be perfect for you guys. Wow. And as soon as he said that, it was like a pebble in my shoe that just wouldn’t go away. And I mentioned it to my husband, and then he looked up the listing when it was just freshly put up.
And I remember I woke up one morning he came in the room. He’s like, I just looked at that listing. It’s amazing.
So he showed me an ear post is in awe of this, you know, house listing, this property, and the studio.
And it was really a big emotional process, going from being happy relatively content where we were to actually picking up and deciding to move. Yeah. I sort of liken it onto, like, the, the feelings involved in birth or like pregnancy and birth, like getting ready for a new child. It felt like sort of a similar experience going through this very tumultuous emotional decision making process.
Emotional Decision to Move
Right. And, now we’re here anyways and we’ve been here several months. So you piggy backed birth upon birth, basically. Yes. Basically.
That’s what it felt like. Yeah. So it was it was good, but now that we’re here, I’ve been able to take a breath and settle in, and and I feel very, like, profoundly content and happy with this choice. And realizing, just all of the benefits of being close to nature for our kids, and being close to family as well.
We were lucky that we get to have those two at the same time because a lot of people have to move away from family to be in the country. Exactly. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
That’s Yeah. That’s great.
So you really love being in nature and stuff. So what has changed for you since you’ve been back there as far as like just yeah. Tell me some of the things because I know having moved from city life to out in the country in Wyoming. Like there were some big profound uh-huhs that I I had never lived in the country before I just let the city kind of build up around me, you know.
I mean, I I had more of a country feel when I was little, but, you know, it as — Right. I was in the Silicon Valley area of California.
And when I was little in the seventies, it was not like it is today. You know?
It had been originally a bunch of farmland and everything.
So it did have a sense of of openness and spaciousness and peace, but it was still, you know, it was still fairly populated. So I never really did live out in country. So I’m just curious what you’ve reconnected with since you’ve been there.
Yeah. Well, I guess I’ll have to go back to my childhood a bit because as a child, some of my most fond memories were of going out either into a secluded area of my parents direct property, like their yard. They had a lot of trees in their yard, and I would find this little nook under this big Maple tree where I was sort of hidden away from everyone else, and I would read my book and just have like an hour or two of just this perfect restful seclusion under this tree. And then growing up, when I was a teenager, sometimes I would feel, you know, upset, typical teenage angst sort of things, and I would go out for a walk into the forest with the intention of just walking out into who knows where, sitting under a tree somewhere.
And I would do that. I would just walk out into this dense forest, sit under a tree, sit on a rock for a while, and just think, or maybe write in a journal. And I would come back just feeling so refreshed and so much better. Like nature had almost absorbed what was happening in my emotions at the time.
Yeah. And so that was always, like, a big form of self care for me was going out in nature. And so when we moved to the city, it’s not that I lost that because I still found ways to keep that feeling alive. I would go for walks, you know, to the nearby park.
We lived near a really old historical manner that was turn into a park. Lots of big trees there. So I would go out into the park and sit under a big oak tree and read but it was not the same because, you know, you go outside for a walk, like, I would want, you know, I would use that walk for seclusion for a time to process my thoughts, but I’m an introvert.
And so when you go out for a walk in the city, you have to cross paths with who knows how many people. Right. Like strangers. So every person you pass, I sort of would feel like this sense of, just draining draining.
I just wanted to be alone. I just wanted to be with nature, and then there’s all these people. And it’s not that I don’t like people. I love people.
Yeah. But my form of recharging as an introvert is to be alone. Right. And so I felt like I could never fully have that.
And even when I was sitting under my big tree reading a book, there’s still so many other people in the park that might be looking at me or thinking I’m strange for sitting on the ground rather than a bench, you know? Stuff like that.
So now that we’re here, what has changed is that we have a big enough property that I can go out for walks, hike through the forest and just be completely alone because it’s all our own property. There’s no cars around. I’m just walking right through the middle of our property. It’s just totally private and it’s beautiful. It’s a really nice way to unwind and especially in the first week after moving here. Understandably, I had a lot of tumultuous emotions during that time of adjustment.
And pretty much every specific time that I can of where I was feeling quite like emotional meltdown energy, I would go outside and go for a walk usually in the evening.
And I would come back just feeling like nature had absorbed it from me. Yeah. And just, transmuted it in a way. Yeah. And and another thing that I’ve noticed is just the beautiful sounds, because in the city, there are still beautiful sounds, but you never fully can hear it because there’s an underlay of all the city noises and the busyness and and more than the noises, there’s this hum of energy, like this busy sort of fast paced energy in the city that I never noticed was there until coming here and feeling just the profound stillness and the soothing slowness of life and then also being able to actually clearly hear the wind through the leaves and the the water of the lake lapping up on the shore, and the birds. It’s, yeah, it’s real nice. Yeah.
I totally agree with you. I think I I think you mentioned the sounds in one of your videos and, I was thinking for me when I moved to Wyoming It was, it was the sounds for sure, but it was also the not not sound. Like you’re saying that hum, like to not have that busyness and craziness was immensely healing. Like, I would find myself just going outside and sitting and feeling the silence and I just was like obsessed with how quiet it was. You know, my sleep improved, like, everything. It was just so incredibly healing for me to make that move.
And yeah, it was it’s crazy. I mean, in Wyoming, you really are like out in the middle of nowhere. Like there’s — Yeah. — there’s not, you can drive for miles and miles and miles and there’s not anything, you know.
And I am in a town. I’m just outside of a town. And there’s some stores, but, you know, the nearest Walmart, which is what we have as far as like a big store or even a Walgreens you know, is twenty five minutes away. You know?
So it’s not like you can just run around the corner, you know, which is good. Yeah.
Yeah. It’s really good. Yeah. It’s it’s a slower pace of life. It’s really healing and, yeah, nice. Looks awesome.
And the other thing that I love too that you bring into your real life videos too is this sense of reflection about your emotions.
And I love just for everybody that’s listening that hasn’t watched Katherine does have these two channels. And so she had started out doing Catherine’s Sewing. Right? Yeah.
Sharing Emotional Process
And we can get into that. And then the other one that has kind of come out of that is Katherine in real life.
And one of and it and it has kind of streamed through both of them is that you you do share when you are reflecting on your real life situations, you do share your emotional process which I think is so incredibly refreshing for women to see as far as like a real life situation.
Right. As we often just go through our life without that moment of reflection around that. And, you know, it’s really beautiful that you’re sharing that with everybody. Did you make, a choice? Like, knowledgeably, you know, to kinda go into that vulnerability?
Yes. I would say I definitely did.
I have always been fairly open about my struggles, especially emotional struggles because I found it just, like, there’s been times in my life where I struggled with anxiety specifically. Like, after the birth of my first child, and it really helped me to be able to speak to people openly about it. And not just view it as like, I don’t know, this hidden deep dark secret. It’s something wrong with me, but rather just share it as something that I was going through that I was going to get through again.
And so I guess I’ve always sort of had that pattern and then women that I really admire in the online space that I have followed for several years now The reason why I do love their content so much is because they are very open about their life, about struggles they go through, or about their emotional process. And I just find that so refreshing because I think we all as human beings have this sense of only being familiar with ourselves and our own internal processes. So we tend to view other people and we only see their exteriors. So we tend to view ourselves as this like black sheep. Like, we’re the only ones in the world who experience these emotional problems or like, you know, arguments with our spouse or financial struggles because we’re not sharing it with each other, and then we think everyone else is just fine and Dandy and we’re the only ones with this problem.
And so the people I admired were the ones who made me feel that I was not alone, that, you know, you can go through struggles and then you can get better again like an ebb and flow pattern. It’s seasonal.
Mhmm. And so I guess knowing that those were the type of accounts and people in mind that I like to follow made me want to emulate that. Mhmm. And then something else that I think is really interesting to note as a creator from a creator’s point of view is that when you are creating content that is creating this facade of perfection and you’re not showing any of your faults or any of your flaws.
Balancing Artifice with Reality
It can be, actually, it’s not only draining to the audience.
To have this facade of perfection presented to them, it’s also draining to the creator, at least in my experience. And I felt that.
I’ve gone through phases in my channel mostly earlier on where I felt like there was just so much, artifice that I had to raise up to get my videos filmed to get them edited, you know, perfect lights, putting on the perfect makeup, doing my hair, just perfect. Getting the kids all quiet or like out on a walk with my husband and like. It’s all sounds like the hardest part.
There’s so much artifice that I found it very draining. So now I like to balance that with a heavy dose of reality.
It just makes it more doable for me, not feeling like I have to erect this big boundary of artifice around myself, but I can actually just be myself and and whoever resonates with that will find my channel and people who don’t resonate with that can leave, and that’s fine. Totally. Absolutely.
Yeah. No. I totally agree with you. I think women especially really want to.
Creating Relatable Content
It’s like it’s like finding a new friend. Online, you know, like you want to feel like there’s a resonance there with what they, are going through and that you can relate to them. And when we remove that from the equation, it’s not there, you know. So Yeah.
You’ve done such a nice job with it too. And then the the other thing I wanted to compliment you on, I don’t want to forget is you pick lovely music to go in the background. I don’t know how you’re picking that music, but I’m like, it’s like so relaxing to, like, watch them. Oh, that’s great.
Yeah. I’m glad to hear that because sometimes I’ll pick a song and I’ll be like, ah, is this just like background noise? Are people actually gonna like this song? So it’s good to hear feedback.
No. It’s really chill. Yeah. It’s me. Yeah. I may I got a big collection of royalty free music when I was making all of my sewing videos because music is very essential for a sewing video.
So I have my big collection to choose from, and so usually I’ll just pick one song that I want to be the main one for the whole video and I’ll put it in and turn down the volume enough. So it’s just kind of this background ambiance. And again, that’s because those are the types of videos that I like to watch. Are the ones that help me calm down and soothe me.
Preference for Calm Content
Yeah. Where people just speak kind of calmly. It’s not all stressful and fast paced.
Exactly. That’s so cool to hear your process of creating that. And that’s, okay, so let’s go into, um. So let’s start with your sewing and your background, and you have actually an art background. Right?
Yes. I do. Yeah. And creativity. I want I wanna hear a little bit because creativity has been such a huge part of I believe your expression of your self care.
Too. Correct?
Definitely. Yes. So share with us a little bit about your background and kinda how you evolved into what you’re doing.
Sure.
Okay. So I grew up in a very creative family and a family that really encouraged creative creativity.
I’m very fortunate about that. And I never really realized how lucky I was until growing up and realizing that most people don’t have that experience.
So growing up, I had a craft area of the house with a little table and lots of craft supplies. And I just remember my earliest memories of being a young girl were always having to be making something. And if I didn’t have a project on the go, I would feel very glum and very like, oh, like, what am I gonna do now? And I had to think of what I was gonna make next, even if it was just something very simple that had no apparent purpose.
Exploration of Various Crafts
And so I was always trying new things, my dad would always buy me, you know, an embroidery book with embroidery supplies or, you know, knitting supplies, or once he even bought me a book about how to make various household items out of duct tape. And so I went through this duct tape phase where I would make an apron and a hat and shoes out of duct tape.
That’s made you have you showed those on your YouTube? I have not. I need to find them. I don’t know where they are.
Really, you’re never really cool to see. Or on I I haven’t really checked out your Instagram so much. I’m terrible on social media, but… Oh, that’s okay. That’s okay.
That’s okay. I was just trying to see that. But go ahead. Sorry.
Yeah. So I did a lot of creative stuff.
I did actually have sewing lessons from a family friend when I was about eight or nine. And so I she was mostly a quilter. So she basically taught me quilting, but I learned all the basics of sewing. And then once those lessons finished, I didn’t go back to sewing at all until after just after the birth of my first child, but I guess I should rewind because my whole life starting from, you know, maybe ten, eleven, twelve, up until age twenty, I was very much into visual art. So drawing and then it evolved to painting. And then by the end of high school, I realized that what I really loved was historical, classical, oil painting.
Passion for Classical Oil Painting
And specifically portraits. I always loved portraits. Those that was what I always draw from as far back as I remember portraits of people’s faces and I loved the eyes and putting expression into people’s eyes. And so I took a year off.
I just stayed stay home after high school. I didn’t go straight to post secondary or anything, and I just focused on basically creating my own course of study about classical oil painting. And my dad got me all kinds of paint supplies and DVDs and things to learn from. And I got very, very heavily into the classical painting during that year. But then simultaneously, I was beginning to struggle with anxiety at that point in my life.
And so I began to sort of associate the anxious feelings I had with the painting in a strange sort of way. And so at that same time, that was around the time when my now husband and I were talking about getting married because we’ve been dating for a few years and we just wanted to get married. So with the whole life change of getting married, moving away from home, and then recovering from this period of anxiety as well.
Transition Away from Painting
Painting just fell by the wayside, And it was it was it was fairly conscious of a choice actually for me to let go of painting.
And it was definitely sort of linked to the trauma of that mental health struggle from that time.
Yeah. And then I also, of course, I moved away. We moved to a small apartment in the city, so I no longer have the physical space to do all this painting that I had been doing and that we had decided to begin having children, which I like to think of my, having of the children I have as another act of creativity. So I’ve never because I had kids that it destroyed my creativity.
That’s always sort of been an offshoot of who I am as a person. I love pregnancy and birth of babies and all of that. But anyways, after about my well, after my first child actually.
Postpartum Experience and Return to Creativity
I did have a bit of postpartum anxiety depression for a short, relatively short period time after he was born. And as I was coming out of that, I felt like I was coming up after having been underwater.
And I thought, like, I need to find something creative to do because this is like intrinsic to who I am as a person to keeping me happy. And so that was when I started picking up sewing again. So I started out by sewing a very badly made dress.
And then I, started making things for my son, like cloth diapers and baby carriers. And I got very into down the path of making very complex buckled baby carriers and things like that. Wow. And then after my second was born, that was when I started getting more into making custom fit clothes for myself.
Starting a Sewing YouTube Channel
And, then it was when I had my third. He was maybe like a year old or so, I think, when I started my YouTube channel, Katherine Sewing, and it felt like a wonderful way to prioritize that side of my life. My sewing, because as a young family finances you know were one thing because when you sew something, you have to buy the fabric. And then time was another thing, you know, giving myself that permission to spend the time sewing something. And so starting the YouTube channel with the goal that eventually growing and potentially earning an income was a great reason for me to begin prioritizing my sewing, prioritize buying fabric to make projects and spending the time.
And my husband was very much on board, but he’s been very encouraging through the whole process of starting the channel. And I don’t think I would still be running the channel if it wasn’t for him because there’s been so many times where I wanted to quit. And he said, no. No.
Desire to Revisit Painting
No. It’s fine. Like, just keep going. It’ll be fine. And Wow. Yeah. I had that sense that he was pretty supportive of of what you do.
Very supportive. I couldn’t do it without him. So, yeah, but painting has sort of been this thing that’s always been on the back burner. I would love to get back to painting and now that we’re here and I have my lovely huge studio space.
I would really love to do that again. And actually, a friend of mine from the city where we just lived, she was just visiting a couple weeks ago. And so we gave her a tour of my parent’s house because they’re right around the corner, and my dad built that house. So it’s a very nice house to sort of tour.
And some of the paintings that I’d done were on display in my little sister’s room because I painted a couple portraits of her. And so they were on the wall. And it was a very interesting experience looking at these paintings that I’d done ten ten plus years ago now. Right.
Reflection on Past Artwork
And, you know, looking at the brush strokes and just it was like a time machine almost going back to who I was when I was painting that, and and being like, wow, like, I was so young and I did such a good job and, and we found some more of my paintings stored away in the attic. And I was like, wow. Like, I barely even remembered that painting, but now that I see it, I remember, you know, creating it and just seeing my old paintings again really definitely revived my desire to begin painting again now that I have the physical space and I think that would be a great, just a great, yeah, self care thing to do for myself as well.
That’s so cool. I love it. I mean, it is it is there’s something really healing about going back ten years prior and reflecting on things that you’ve done. I’ve had that same experience where I was like, actually, I was really good at that.
Balancing Family and Creativity
I know, yeah, like, at the time, I didn’t feel like I was really you know, doing as good a job as I was doing. That’s pretty awesome. Exactly. I should really do more of that.
Exactly. That’s exactly how I felt for sure. That’s so cool. Let’s see. And one of the other things that I think is really important to highlight for women, that I feel like kind of got brought out in your move was that you’re not, you’re not trying to do it all. And I don’t know if you’ve consciously, like, if you because I I know, like, having had three kids myself.
Right?
And the pressures of our culture that makes you feel like you gotta do everything.
There have been instances that I’m listening to things you’re saying and I’m god, she’s really got a good sense of balance, and I don’t know if you, you know, sometimes we get that balance only because we had to hit like a threshold of trying to do it all. And then, you know, we surrender to the fact that we can’t. But there’s, you know, the fact that, like, you allow, you know, when you’ve talked about making meals and your husband’s helping with certain meals or whatever, or you have like easier meals you know, or whatever. You kinda downgrade the standard.
Accepting Help and Redefining Standards
It’s not I’m not saying that it’s not you’re you’re doing a great job, but it’s good for everybody to see that we can’t always, we’re not always making like a five course meal for dinner. You know? And also, when you moved, you were able to accept help from your neighbor who did amazing things to assist you in you’re packing.
Right. Oh, yeah. I could not have gone through that move without her. She was amazing.
Yeah. No. I guess I haven’t I get no. No. I would say I have consciously thought about that because I wouldn’t say I’m as good at balances as you’re necessarily portraying me to be here.
We’ve, I definitely do lower my standards in certain areas when I’m focusing on other areas. But I do still tend to feel a sense of guilt about, like, I remember when I used to bake all my own bread and it was this sourdough bread and now, you know, we’re buying bread or, you know, my husband’s giving the kids cereal for breakfast. Sometimes I feel guilty about that, but, like you said, we we have to realize what our threshold is of what we can do. And, I think just my personality type as well I’ve never been able to be one of those people who is very, like, stable and committed to one particular area and, like, specializing in that one area for your whole life.
I tend to get very, very interested and focused on, you know, one thing and pour a lot of time and energy and learning into this one area. And then maybe I’ll pull back a bit from that and learn more about something else I’m interested in. But I don’t view that as a loss because the time and the energy and the learning that I spent on this other thing in the past, it’s still with me and I’m still carrying that with me and it can come out and help me and benefit me in other ways in the future. So it’s sort of it’s like a seasonal pattern again.
Seasons of Focus and Relaxation
It’s an ebb and flow. Right. So I have gone through seasons where I was focusing a lot of energy on the cooking. Right.
And I would say I definitely burned myself out on that in hindsight because I went through a very strict dietary phase where I was baking all my own bread. I was making all my own condiments.
I was doing everything from scratch and very strict about what I was eating. But I got to a point of burnout with that. And so the past few years after that point have just been an act of bringing balance back and relaxing and especially as a mother. I mean, I don’t want to have this very stressful, tight fisted attitude around food specifically with my kids.
Right. Because I look back on how I was raised and I think it was a good balance of, you know, we were allowed to eat candy here and there. We were allowed to eat dessert. So it didn’t become this, really strict energy where you grow up.
Balancing Food Choices for Children
You’re never allowed have candy. And then, you know, as soon as you leave the home, you just binge on candy. It was it was very balanced. So it’s how I’m trying to be around food and not driving myself crazy because I have gone through phases, like, shortly before the move.
Actually, I was like, I’m gonna start cooking all three meals again and I did last for a while with that, but we’re back to my husband making breakfast now because there’s always so much I can do.
Exactly. That works, you know, and and it’s a team effort too. And the other thing that I think people forget is what about that time that daddy’s there, you know, put with the, you know, if we if we take that away, then the kids don’t have dad doing that, you know? Exactly.
Yeah. It’s actually hugely important for them to see. They’re getting that social, emotional component. It’s not just the food.
You know? And and I’m like, I mean, we do advocate for a lot of like food stuff within our practice, at our clinic, like just a lot. We have a lot of patients that are you know, working on some really challenging health care situations where they have to, you know, they really have to focus on making big life food changes.
And there is a significant commitment to that, that being said. We always like to go, okay. Like, you still have to show up to, you know, holiday parties and be able to navigate, like, the social components of these things. So how are you gonna do that? You know? We don’t we don’t wanna leave people midstream and it’s the same way with just having balance in your own family life, you know.
Navigating Social Components in Life Changes
Yeah. So you’ve done some really cool things on your sewing channel, which I wanna point wanted to point out. I would love because you do have a corset making class. I would love to know how you got into corset making, why you like them, what modern women need to know about corset making because it’s kinda cool. Yeah.
Let’s see.
I always loved historical dramas. First of all. Growing up, I loved historical dramas, and I loved, when I would draw my pictures as a young girl, I would often draw pictures of women wearing these beautiful, old fashioned Victorian dresses.
So without even knowing about corsetry at the time, I was kind of unconsciously attracted to historical clothing, which involves corsets for women at least. And, yeah, I always loved historical dramas. And I remember specifically there was this one historical drama that my mom and I watched a lot, and we watched a special features interview with the actress. And she said, you know, I always hear actresses complain about wearing corsets, but, you know, I actually really enjoyed wearing the corset to film this.
Wow. And my mom and I both had opposite reactions. My mom was like, oh, really? That’s strange.
Why would you enjoy that? And then I was like, I can totally understand that. I would love to have to wear a corset to act in a movie. I wish I could.
Even though I’d never worn a corset in my whole life, I was just kind of unknowingly attracted to them without knowing why. Uh-huh. And, then, let’s see. This was like, when my when my first child was a baby, I was beginning to watch people on YouTube who had sewing channels or, you know, in the historical sewing realm. And I found this one channel’s specifically called Lucy’s Corsetry.
And she her whole channel is all about corsets and talking about corsets and myth busting about corsets and, and I was very intrigued because on the one hand, she was, you know, she was wearing corsets in a way that I wouldn’t necessarily, like, she was you know, lacing her waist down smaller and having these goals of making her waist smaller. And that wasn’t my goal, and I wasn’t particularly aesthetically attracted to the tiny waist look. But she did have videos talking about the benefits of wearing corsets, and what intrigued me was specifically her talking about the emotional benefits of wearing corsets and hearing lots of other people’s experiences about how just wearing a corset and having that sort of deep pressure therapy all day essentially can help calm anxiety, or it can help, you know, lift your spirits and I was very intrigued by that specifically for postpartum.
Yeah. Because, historically, people didn’t necessarily wear a course set after having babies, but they would do something called belly binding. Yes. I wanted to talk about this because I love video on the belly bind. And I was hoping –Oh, great.–we would get into this. So share.
Great. Yeah. So I was looking into belly binding because again, this was right after my first child was born, shortly after. So I was coming out of having just had postpartum, you know, anxiety, depression and I was able to, like, recover from that naturally.
I used a lot of essential oils and I did focus a lot on my diet and things like that. And so I was coming out of that phase wanting to find, you know, natural ways to just keep me stable and supported, especially since I knew I wanted to have more children. So I looked into belly binding and I made my own belly binding strip of fabric. And then I decided to make my own corset.
Using an online, you know, pattern drafting tutorial where you draft one to your own measurements. And so I did a pretty good job for my first corset, the main problem was that I did not do any mock ups where you test the fit on your body. So I made the waist way too small, way too small.
And so I never I never wore that corset and I just kinda pushed it away and moved on to other sewing projects.
But then after my third was born, I decided I was going to make a proper corset that actually fit me that was not too small on my waist. It just fit my waist pretty much exactly where it already was. It wasn’t reducing it at all. And it was mostly just for the postural support benefits and, the emotional benefits because I definitely do feel a noticed difference in how I feel when I corset. It’s not necessarily something you can quite put words on, but that was something I liked. And I really liked the postural benefits because my whole life up until then, I’d always kind of slouched.
And with the corset, it really just helps you stand straight, and I really began to notice how that affected who I was in the world and how people viewed me just by simply having a better posture.
Aesthetics of Historical Corsets
Yeah. And so that was what that was my intention behind that first corset. And then I began being attracted to the aesthetics of just the beautiful historical corsets, just the workmanship involved and all the fine details and I began looking at different, you know, eras in history of the different shapes and facets and making those. And I was never using this as a tool to make my waist super small. It was always more of a postural support and emotional support. Wow.
So fascinating. And it’s making me, I mean, when you, when you were talking about, when I watched the belly binding video, and I just thought, god, I wish I had had this. Like, I had actually had a cesarean for my first, but I was at the time, and I was, you know, one of those women that went in, you know, being, I’ve been in that in this type of field for my whole life. So going in there wanting a full natural, you know, birth and everything and everything kind of going the opposite direction, being incredibly violated on so many levels.
Challenges and Healing After Childbirth
It was really quite awful. Yeah. And so not having that, and yet, really, like, there was actually some injury because of that. That’s part of this hip thing I was just kind of describing.
The sciatica that I’ve been experiencing this summer is like a kind of a final piece of healing that’s going on around it.
But, but the belly binding, I’ve noticed this in some of the the kind of spiritual circles that I’ve been involved in where we’re really working on womb health, and womb care, and womb connection, and where we’re… And how.. There we go.
My video just yeah. Sometimes the stream gets a little weird here. We are out in the country so the I think that is just the, connection.
Interest in Womb Health and Care
But, you know, just having that sense of pressure with your own hands feels so nurturing and so supportive.
And, but it made me think when you’re just saying that posturally, I mean, I don’t have an issue per se with my own posture, but I do have compression which is causing this issue. And I’m wondering if that type of corsetry support would be helpful now. I’m like, gosh, that is so intriguing. I wonder if I had something like that. Yeah. So actually, the YouTube channel that I mentioned called Lucy’s Corsetry, she actually compiled a book.
I believe it was originally called SOLest, but I think she may have changed the title since then, but it was basically a compilation of many, many people’s experiences of the benefits of corsetry in their lives. And a lot of them, it’s either emotion benefits or many of them its physical benefits. Like a lot of them might have suffered with back pain or pelvic pain. Right. And wearing a corset just helped bring them that stabilization to relieve their pain to the point where a lot of these people can actually even get their corsets covered by their benefits.
Because they use it as like a medical support device.
Wow. Yeah. Okay. So how are we gonna get these available to women? That is so cool.
That would be really something I would love to be able to, you know, sell to women so they could they could have access to it because that’s huge.
Personal Memories of Girdles
But, that my I was just gonna share my only memory of, I don’t know. They wouldn’t call it. They didn’t call it a corset. I’m trying to think what my mom called it.
My mom had. A girdle? Yeah. My mom had total girdles. And I thought they were so cool looking because they all seem lacy and everything.
So I would sneak in there and put them on and, like, and of course, they were you know, as I got older, of course, they were tighter and tighter, you know, and I was like, why would anybody wear those things?
Yeah.
Yeah. And it was, like, you know, to push everything up and suck everything in and, you know, yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, There’s so many different, like, I would say the mainstream viewpoint towards corsetry is, like, what you said, like, oh, why would you wear that? It’s so uncomfortable.
And coming from a modern viewpoint of all our clothes tend to be stretchy and, you know, we tend to want to move, like, in certain ways where a corset you maybe might not allow you to. But then there the misconception is that corsets were always laced you know, so tightly. When in reality, most women and I’ve actually seen people online who specialize in this look back at historical health records of, like, women’s waste measurements, for example, with and without their core sets on. And the vast majority of women were not using it to reduce their waist by anything more than, like, a couple centimeters.
Historical Use of Corsets
It was mostly just it was basically their equivalent of a bra because they didn’t have bras. So the corset was the bra, and it was also just the overall structure of their outer garments. Right. Right. Yeah.
And they wore it, and now I’ve seen you wear it on top of — Yes. — and is that how they wore it? Yes. So that’s another huge misconception about corsetry.
And you all you often see this in movies that aren’t doing too great of a job with historical accuracy, where they show a woman wearing a corset on bare skin when that would be very uncomfortable because it’s a tight fitting garment. You don’t wanna have that on your bare skin. So they would wear it over a linen chemise or shift they were called, which is basically like a short sleeve underdress.
Layering and Fabric in Historical Clothing
Right. And linen is very it’s a very nice fabric. It’s very breathable and it’s antibacterial.
And so that would kind of be the the layer that’s next to the skin, protecting the skin from the corset and absorbing, you know, sweat and things. So it helps protect the outer garments as well. Right. And yeah.
So most of the course that you see historically, they would only come up to mid bust level, which meant that in order to have the full support of their bust, they had to have something underneath that came up to here — Right. — to kind of control the upper half and then the course that lifted everything from the bottom. Interesting. So what did they have then on the on the top?
Or what what? That would have been the shift or the chemise. So they would usually have a draw string neckline. Uh-huh.
So kinda gather in here and then set this from beneath. Interesting. Okay. And then you also have, on your sewing channel, some bras, like a couple different options.
Transition to Making Bras
Tell us a little bit about that too. Yes. So now I’m moving into making more bras because, just having had all of my babies I’m needing to take a break from the daily course wearingthat I was doing because I found that it was getting in the way of re-strengthening my core muscles, like all the muscles that you need to sort of re-strengthen after having a baby.
I need to focus on that. And so now I’m focusing on making my own bras because a big part of what drew me to corsets was the fact that I have a rather unusual bra size. It’s hard for me to find bras in my size, and especially if I’m looking for breast-feeding friendly bras.
And the bras that I did have that were my correct size, I just found they were not flattering. They did not give me the support that I wanted, that I was used to getting from my custom fit corsets. Yeah. And so I realized, well, hey, like, why don’t I just make my own custom fit bras. Like, I’m sure there’s a way to make bras that are comfortable, that are supportive, that are beautiful.
So I’m going down that route now. Oh my god. I love it. So I haven’t, are those newer videos then? Cause I just saw that last night.
Was okay. So I did make some bras last summer. and they were straight up vintage bras. Uh-huh. And so I still love the vintage bras, and now I’m moving more towards making sort of vintage fusion modern bras.
So those are the ones I’m working on now. And those bras that I need last summer, that was pre my last pregnancy. So they’re not fitting me properly at the moment. So I need some bras, and I really need to get a few new wardrobe pieces, but I sort of view the bra as the foundation. Like, once I have a well fitting bra, I can sort of build around that and make some outer garments that I’m liking better as well.
Significance of Well-Fitting Bras
Yeah. Well, I love this too because, I mean, we don’t talk a lot about it, but, what we put around our breasts is so important to our breast health. You know, and how tight or how constrictive, especially when we’re nursing or, you know, not nursing. Like, I mean, you have to have something that’s comfortable, you know, and supportive, but not too tight and women will wear things that are still, even in this day and age.
That are still too tight.
Yeah. Yeah.
And that was another thing that attracted me to corsetry as well, actually, was I was looking into, you know, bras and this controversy behind underwires and whether they can block your lymphatic drainage and all of that stuff. And in my experience, I found that this the bust support of a historical corset is much less constricting to your actual breasts than a modern underwired bra is. Yeah. Because it’s it’s just kind of like sitting there lifting them up from beneath.
Comparison with Modern Underwired Bras
It’s it’s not like an casing your breasts with this tight wire. You know, it’s not blocking your lymph nodes or anything like that. So that’s that’s another benefit of course. For sure.
Awesome. That’s so cool. Okay. So then, so I’m assuming, but maybe you can correct me if I’m wrong, that you kind of, I mean, at the same time, you-you’re interested in these historical things.
So you’re looking at a lot of different imagery of historical women and their clothing and everything. And somehow you come into contact with these lovely women with this gorgeous long hair.
And then you start to make connections, like, why do I not have long hair and why is your hair so long? How did they do that? So tell us about your journey that led you into this really interesting and expansive thing for your YouTube channel, when you got into historical hair care. Yes. Okay. So the haircare, going back to what I said earlier about how I tend to sort of jump around to different interests, and that sort of like lays a foundation for me in the future. The hair thing is a great example of this because my interest in hair care, was something that I sort of had on the back burner for several years.
And I remember when I started my YouTube channel about sewing, I almost felt guilty about this little side passion that I had for hair care and doing all these hair masks and hair treatments because I felt like, oh, I really should just be putting all my focus towards building my YouTube channel, but I do love hair care. And so, but now, of course, looking back, that was a really great thing to have going on the back burner because it’s paid off now in the future. But, yeah, so my interest in hair, I’ve always wanted long hair. That’s another thing since as long as I can remember, I always wanted to have long hair. And when I was a little girl, I would, you know, put, like, these big towels over my hair and move my head around and pretend that it was my long hair swishing.
Challenges with Growing Curly Hair
That’s so cool. Yeah. It’s awesome. But my hair is very curly, and it was actually more curly when I was younger.
And so it was a lot harder for me to grow my hair because curly hair people, they tend to struggle more with hair breakage. It’s not that their hair isn’t growing. It’s just that it’s breaking off maybe faster than it’s growing. So it just seems to stay at the same length.
And that was definitely my issue. I remember going through high school and estimating, you know, if I go through a couple years with just barely trimming my hair, it’ll have grown this much, you know, by the end of high school, and then it didn’t grow that much. Because in hindsight, I just I wasn’t caring for it properly, and it was probably breaking off faster than it was growing. Right.
So I always had this side interest. And then around the time that I was becoming interested in corsets, I was, like you said, also looking at these old photos of women with very long hair and just feeling like I want long hair like that. And I just had this certainty. Like, I will do what it takes to grow my hair that long.
Determination to Grow Long Hair
And I remember, vocalizing this. I was, like, at at I was visiting family at the time, and I was telling my mom and my sister, like, I’m gonna grow my hair down to my feet. I’m just gonna do what it takes to grow it that long. And, my sister, she was younger at the time.
She was like, oh, yeah. Yeah. You totally should. And then my mom was like, oh, well, you know, Katherine, like, it it’s great, but it just might not be in your genetics.
Like, you just might not be able to grow your hair that long. Right. Right. Well, that, you know, moms are good good with that kind of advice.
They don’t want you to feel terrible if it doesn’t work out. Exactly. Exactly. So, but inwardly, I was like, yeah, but you know what?
I just had a sense that, you know, I’ve been doing things wrong and I knew that if I corrected things somehow, I would be able to grow it long because I was looking at these old photos of women with long hair. And I was like, they must know something that we don’t. Right. And I’m gonna figure out what it is.
Transition to Natural Hair Care
Yeah. So that definitely did not happen overnight. It was a long process, and it it coincided with a big lifestyle change that I had around the same time because, after my first child was born, I became a lot more interested in eliminating chemicals from my home and from our life, personal care products, everything.
And so I began looking with a critical eye at all of the hair products I’ve been using my whole life and being like, I can’t pronounce any of the names. This list of ingredients is so long. Why am I putting this on my hair all the time? And so I was very principled on that.
And it’s a good thing I was because it was a rough ride once I eliminated those products. Just figuring out how to care for my hair, especially because it’s so curly. And I had really been relying on lots of conditioner and lots of styling products to keep it looking nice. And so when I took those away, it was like, whoa, like, what do I do?
I was trying to figure out how I could use oils as a replacement for conditioner, but that was a really tough thing to figure out.
And so it was definitely a long process but along the way I found people on YouTube specifically who helped me, and a lot of them were actually in the like black natural hair care community. Because a lot of them have found ways to care for their hair naturally with ingredients like clay and with oils. And so I was learning from them because my hair does bear actually more of a resemblance in just how it likes to be cared for to the black hair community than to the caucasian hair community. Alright.
Sure. So I learned I learned a lot from them. And so I started incorporating clay washing into my hair. That was kind of the first thing I tried.
And again, there was a lot of trial and error along the way. Like, how thick should I make my clay mixture? What type of clay should I use and how long should I leave it on my hair. And so I’ve come now to my current routine that I outline on my videos.
And, oh, yeah, along the way, I should mention that I chopped off my hair.
Sorry. Go ahead.
Along the way of this haircare journey, I decided I wanted to chop off all my hair to my chin. Right. Because this is a really drastic move, and I would definitely not repeat this if I were back in that situation again. But I was really frustrated with all of the unevenness in my hair because I’ve had layers cut into it in the past.
And then in addition to the layers, I struggled with a lot of hair breakage that would happen more in some areas than in other areas. Right. And so I was like, you know what? If I’m gonna grow my hair, I just need to have like a solid starting point of all the same length And, so I decided, basically, to cut it as short as all of the shortest layers, which was, like, chin length.
Right. And so once I did that, even though it was very dramatic and a little bit traumatizing to cut off all of my hair. It gave me a