Hello everyone and welcome to the Yin-care® podcast. I am your host, Margaret Jacobson, The Mother Rising. I have had the great fortune of meeting our guest today in a shared sacred women’s womb container several years ago. She had posted in our social spot for that container that she created a and sold a gluten-free, allergen-free bread that she wanted to just let us know in case we were interested in trying it out.
And I was super excited because as many of you may know, and those of you who don’t, at YAO Clinic, which is our clinic where my husband practices Chinese medicine, most of our patients are on very specific diets, and the majority of them have removed gluten, dairy, and eggs. And her bread had none of those, which was amazing, and it was so incredibly delicious, truly phenomenal.
Not just because it is a, an artisan level bread, but she clearly infuses it with so much loving intention. And then we started to become friends. We just had this beautiful budding friendship. And when I asked her if she wanted to host a gluten-free workshop with me, which we are planning to do on October 8th, we’ll be talking a little bit about that today as well.
She also offered up another course that she felt would be really supportive of people along their health creation journeys, and it is called Nourishing the Vessel. So let me just take a moment to share with you who this beautiful woman is. Please welcome my co-facilitator and dear collaborator Victoria Sofitel.
Victoria is a behavioral scientist, corporate consultant, allergen-free healer and transition doula entrepreneur who brings together science, soul and deep compassion in her work. She’s the founder of Yes Bakery and Victory Flower, and her mission is to help people reclaim nourishment in every sense of the word, body, heart, and spirit.
And we’ve come together to create something really special called Nourishing the Vessel. And today you’ll get to hear Victoria’s story, her philosophy of nourishment, and why this program is so incredibly close to our hearts. Welcome, Victoria. So great to have you. Yes.
You like that. I loved that. Thank you.
That’s how you feel when you eat that bread. Yes. Something delicious. Yeah. So anyway, it’s so great to have you here and I’m just thinking that since people are new to you, that they haven’t met you necessarily. If you could just start by sharing a little bit about who you are and the work that you’re most passionate about right now.
Yes. Well thank you for having me Margaret. This has been such a beautiful op growth opportunity, you know, to meet someone as equally as passionate and committed to wanting to share that with the world. So, yeah, this has been such a wonderful journey and a little about me. So yes, I am formally trained as a behavioral scientist in Industrial Organizational Psychology.
So that’s consulting to businesses on how to be more efficient. But even during my graduate program, I was trying to weave health and wellness into the workplace. And at that time, in the early two thousands, I was like a three edit monster, you know, to people. They just did not know what to make of me, you know, wellness programs were being talked about.
And definitely- what year was that again? Did you say? About 2000, 2005. Okay, great. Thanks. 2, 5 0 6. It was, again, like, um, some companies were, it was on some company’s radar, but it was nowhere near like even yet to be a buzzword. And so I was always trying to, whether I was doing executive coaching or organizational diagnosis or surveys, I was, whatever the class was, we had to go into an organization and do what we were learning about.
And I was always trying to get at the heart of things, so I was trying to. You know, bring such meaning into the workplace because it’s where you spend so much of your life. And it makes sense to me that a company’s bottom line can also be very much impacted by a healthy workforce. You know, like diabetes isn’t cheap.
No. You know, cardiac arrest is costly. So, um, and, and my personal belief, we’re not designed to live that way. Like there’s a, a way to navigate the world in everybody’s unique way that their constitution is designed where they, that doesn’t have to be the outcome. And I don’t say that with the intention of being insensitive.
You’ll hear a little more of my story. Like I did not grow up with a silver spoon in my mouth around that health wise. But it was just a deep knowing that was the truth. And being young and disease free at that time in my life, my early twenties, my mid twenties, it was just a theory, right?
And so I really needed to, I needed to go, my researcher mind needed to go out into the world and find people who would let me work with them. So I have always been trying to me merge health and wellness and my, with my behavioral scientist background, and it’s definitely shaped how I’ve shown up in the world in different ways.
And it’s also a little funny ’cause people, for as much as I love food, everyone’s like, you should have a restaurant someday you’re gonna have a restaurant, you’re gonna have a, you know, and I’m like, no, no, I, I’ve, I’m too important. I have too many other things I’m supposed to do in this world. So it’s sort of ironic that now I have this bakery because I was like, oh, I kind of, everyone kind of prophesied this over my life.
That’s so interesting. Right. Although it never really manifest the way maybe you thought it did at the time. It’s always more perfect and better than it could have been. That’s so cool. So yeah, so it’s a little bit about these two very seemingly divergent opposite points and how I am a vector, where they come together into the world and what I have to bring forth.
I just wanna also mention that like, you almost have your doctorate too. You have everything but the, um, the defense, right? Of your thesis. Yeah, that’s a great point. ’cause it does also segue a little into my own personal healing journey. So yes, I completed all the doctoral, I’m, I’ve advanced to candidacy.
I’m a doctoral candidate. And I’ve been in that limbo state for a while. But I, but also wanna just honor why you’re in that limbo state. Yeah. ’cause you chose. Being a really amazing mother to your daughter as, and we can talk about this shared experience of being single moms, but yeah, you know, she needs that attention and it’s okay.
The doctoral completion can wait. Yes, yes. Definitely. Definitely. And so yes, I, I adv but I advanced to candidacy, I did all the doctoral work. I submitted my propo proposal and successfully defended that. And when it came to doing the dissertation research and then writing the dissertation, I was diagnosed, I was pregnant at the time, and I was diagnosed with a rare form of cancer.
And the OB GYN at the time was like, you gotta go see the specialist. Like, I can’t, this is, but just so you know, the lab took it upon themselves to say this is, your results are so rare they wanted, they were curious and they wanted to type it for themselves. And they said, one in 200 million women rare in this form of cancer.
Wow. So I go to see the gynecological oncologist and she says, I have no data. I can’t guide you. You could keep this pregnancy and then, uh, it, it aborts itself and you have to have a hysterectomy in three months or six months, or maybe your body will take care of this altogether. I have no, you know, I can’t guide you.
I have no data to guide you with. Mm-hmm. And so this has to be your choice. And it was such a hard choice. I really felt like it was my only chance, my last chance to become a mother given the circumstances. Right. Like, like I didn’t, I just felt like I, I wouldn’t have another a pregnancy wouldn’t come after this invasive.
So, and they, and the procedure, they’d have to do the treatment was the biopsy, but it was very invasive. And so I really, belabored and I ended up electing to terminate the pregnancy and have this, the procedure done, which fits into a whole other discussion that I know you and I are both very passionate about around giving up our agency and letting others be more of an authority over my body, because the truth is within my body, I was, what I was doing and why I made the choice was with morning sickness, I was gravitated towards starchy foods.
And so yeah, the animal cracker or the saltine cracker is what helped me get through those first few weeks and. But as I was eating that I was also, I knew enough to know at that time that I, that I felt strongly like I’m also feeding cancer. So like my womb at that moment, this is just how I internalized it as a 30-year-old, my womb is not even a safe place for this child to grow.
And so I, through guilt and cha, you know, ended up feeling like I wasn’t a, a safe place for that soul to be nourished. And so I released that baby and then had the procedure done and then was told I was so scarred from surgery I would never conceive again and it was, yeah, and then the follow up biopsying and testing to, you know, they had to, um, test me a lot regularly.
Um, uh, after that for a few years before I was in the clear of like, can’t, you know, it’s not coming back and you’re safe. And every time they would have to you know, do the test, they would have to break through scar tissue. So I knew every time you’re breaking through scar tissue, it’s gonna be the de beautiful design of the body is to lay it down even stronger, even harder.
And I felt as they broke it every time, and that was painful. Where was it? Where was the, the biopsy being taken? In my cervix. It was on your cervix. Oh my goodness. Wow. Well, it was the entire, it was the entire surface of the cervix, so that was all completely, not to give too much information, but shaved off.
No, no, no, no. That’s like, and so then it became, please give the information. This is, it became mostly women’s podcast, so it became occluded by the scar tissue. It was fully like, it was like a, you know, wow. Hermetically sealed womb from that point forward. And they showed me the tool they were dilating with to break through the scar tissue.
As excruciatingly painful. It was on my end. Oh my God. It was a toothpick, it was a size of a metal, size of a toothpick that they were poking it through. So to do this every three months for several years, you know, in my mind, yes. I’m never having a, I’m never having a child. But as you’ve shared, I do, you know, uh, hallelujah.
Do I have a, an 11-year-old daughter. And she came against all odds, as far as I’m concerned. Wow. And so she is my miracle child. So yeah. When she came, um, well, okay. And I guess just to add a little bit of detail -Please- during that process of being diagnosed with the cancer and having the surgery and terminating the pregnancy and having the surgery and having all that, I told that job that I was at.
That I had cancer and I needed to have surgery and I would have a lot of appointments and that I’d be coming early or leaving early or having a longer lunch, and I knew they couldn’t ask. So I’m just being upfront and I’m letting them know I’m being transparent. This was before you were obviously pregnant with Aurora?
This was during, correct. This was four years prior. Right, right, right. Okay. Four years prior. And so they, that company fired me after informing them I, and so I did initiate a lawsuit against that company, which took a few years. And and then I was in San Diego at that time. I moved to San Francisco and I started my life all over again.
And then when Aurora came, I was like subject matter expert. I was, I worked for the third largest healthcare organization in the state of California. I had an $8 million budget. I was overseeing this very complex federal government mandate. And I say all that to say, it’s not like there’s, you can just find anybody on the street that’s doing what I’m doing, you know, with the subject matter expertise that I had at the time.
And I was so overjoyed that she came, you know, from the miracle of thinking I couldn’t have a child. And then she came, I had been in enough like HR trainings with my boss at the time, we were peers, and then he became my superior in the chain. And then, so I just, like, he, you know, I would offer up things like, well, at least you’re married and you have children.
I’m like, I would give anything to have a family and to have a children and I can’t. And so I tried to offer that up to give him perspective, and he did appreciate that. Then Aurora comes and I again like, announce my pregnancy, like immediately. I didn’t wait three months ’cause I was excited and I thought I was safe.
I thought it was okay to share. I thought we had enough rapport built up and within 10 minutes my position had been eliminated. So twice that happened to you then? Yeah. I don’t think I, I you’ve shared these stories with me before, but I don’t think I re I I was con I clearly was confused. Thought it must have only happened once, right?
Happened. Well, the first time I, the first time I was fired and the second time my position was eliminated. That’s how they get around firing you, like, oh, we don’t need this position anymore. It’s like, good luck. Uh, you know, uh, rolling out that. Wow. So, um, I, I want, I’m glad I went into that detail ’cause I really wanna offer people that, like I’ve been, I’ve seen some things.
I’ve been through definitely. I don’t make these claims about health and wellness and how vibrant we can live because I have a trust fund and I have everything, you know, handed to me. I have, um, well, not just that, but that, you’ve struggled with, clearly struggled in some ways with your own health and so that kind of segues nicely into- Right-
How did you start caring for yourself? Like, ’cause you, that part you didn’t get into like, ’cause you said that your womb was not a safe place for growing life, and clearly you had all of these procedures, which were super invasive then. What were you doing to build back Victoria? To victory? Yes.
Yes. From, from the, the ashes. Mm-hmm. Phoenix rises. So, um. So back to the, uh, the cancer, I was, I had been, well, maybe even a little further back. I had been really shaped at early in my doctoral program. My sister’s husband had been in the car accident, and I was 24 at the time, but I had known him since I was 12.
So he was like my brother. Right. And he became from the accident a quadriplegic. Mm-hmm. But he was six five. And so what we discovered right alongside the hospital was that they have a procedure for how they handle, you know, a trach, you know, putting in a trach tube or any one thing. That one was most I remember that one the most vividly.
But then to do it on someone who’s six five and their trach is longer, it’s, so they ended up making a whole entire new manual. He was like their Guinea pig, like as he is large enough that they didn’t, they haven’t had enough procedures with someone that large, that he had to really write a whole new manual for how to do it for humans, you know, that are, were larger than the average bear.
So, um, but being by his side for 10 months as we went through that, I think was one of those defining moments where my father’s a physician, I grew up working for him in his office, and the way kids don’t really understand all the nuances, they just kind of see black and white, you know? Yeah.
So, you know, I worked for him and I would, you know, what I, what I got from filing paperwork and sitting next to the woman who did billing, and I ended up creating a position at the job to do, to verify insurance procedures. I’m like, you know, my, my industrial organizational mind was going yeah, from a young age.
From a young age, and so it was a blessing and a burden, but just from the background of being, you know, in the back office, I was like, insurance companies are, you know, the devil. And like, and also dad, like, you guys aren’t getting yet health, you know, and, and I remember he, he, uh, patient left and then walked back in the door and they had to create buzzers on the door because of this patient.
Stormed back in and took my dad and, and threw him against the wall and pinned him up against the wall screaming at him. And I, you know, what happened? You know what, what, what happened with that guy today, dad? And he said, oh, I had to give him some bad, you know, results. He wasn’t happy with the results and, and he’s diabetic and, you know, and I, and I had to explain to him that, you know, this didn’t just happen to him.
You know, this was, uh, he had a part to play in this, right? And, and so as a kid, I was just like, wow, that’s powerful. Yeah. I was like, why can’t people see this? Why can’t people? Why do they just wanna take a pill? Why do they just want, you know, like a get rich quick scheme, you know? Right. I’m like, they’re they have to take care of their body.
And at the same time, I was realizing around 15 that I didn’t feel good when I ate, um, fried food. Mm-hmm. And fast food. And so, again, like kids tend to love fried food, fast food. And, and from a younger age, I was like, I never want to eat that again. You know? And so I became that pain in the butt family member who’s like, well, I’m not eating anything from those places, so get yourself something.
So that was kind of a start. And then it, and then it was just this, it was just this inquiry. It was just these wedges that came into my mind at a young age that I couldn’t quite shake. They, they were so profound. And then it built on itself. So from, as a young child starting to go, why aren’t we talking about diet dad?
Why aren’t you talking about drinking enough water? Why aren’t you talking about exercise. I was also really into exercise. My mom wasn’t very healthy and I was like, I was kind of like, you know how everyone says you’re gonna be just like your mother when you grow up? I was like, oh, like my mom know we’ve talked about it, which is not like a Oh, for sure a flight.
Her, she’s knows that I, you know, and we, and she has her reasons and she’s discovered that why she’s made the choices she’s made. But, yeah, so I found myself being really just kind of in influenced and, and passionate around understanding more about health, what that really means, because it was clear to me that my father’s, a physician, didn’t know what health really meant, and he wasn’t really even advocating for it despite him saying, oh, well, I tell my patients the best medicine is no medicine and the best surgery is no surgery.
And I’m like, okay, but you’re, you’ll go a surgery for no reason. Like you’ll, you are so willing to go under the knife. Right, right. So isn’t an alignment between what you per personally practice and what you’re preaching to people. So I just saw all this hypocrisy growing up and it, um, it always made me very skeptical and wary, and it made me want to go dig deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper and go down all these rabbit holes.
So, um, so back to, you know, with the cancer. So, um, so I’m watching my sister’s husband go through his situation and I am, I’m by his side and I, and I feel powerless. Like, I wish I knew reiki or I knew how to massage, like, like I’d been taught I had a degree in it, you know? Right, right. But, but I clearly, I was a healer and I would just, I would just rub his, his, he was, his injury was at C five C six, so he was permanently inflection.
And so I would just, I would just force his arm down and just try to elongate it. And I mean, I would sit by his bedside for 10 hours a day and I would just touch him and, and hold his feet. And that was a very trying moment, you know. As I see this affecting our family and my parents are very concerned about the finances of the medical bills and wanting my sister to divorce him so that they don’t, she doesn’t have to be saddled with this.
‘Cause he doesn’t, we didn’t, at that point, he was in a coma for several months. We didn’t know if he was ever gonna come outta it or not. And they were 30. Yeah, 30. She, I think she was like 30 at the time. Wow. 32. And so, um, so just again, witnessing all that made me despise kind of the system and the way people think.
Even though I, I understood the reasons and like society and the obligations and I, it’s like, I, but I was also still very torn, you know? ’cause I understood it, but also, you know, and then I also felt like the food he was being fed was hospital food. And so I was, I was, I was living off of, you know,
grants and whatnot for my graduate program. But I was making him organic meals. I had just kind of learned about organic food and I was making him organic meals and bringing that in and, and I’m like, there’s no way you’re gonna rebuild a foundation on this hospital food. Like, that’s right. I see what this is.
It’s not gonna work. Right. So, um, yeah, it was really, that really again, was a moment, a defining moment where I just believed, but no one around me kind of trusted me or could meet me there. Right. And so then with my program, I was always, again, looking for ways to work with people or businesses to bring health and wellness into it.
And I, I had a few clients and I’d work with people who had asthma and they would, after 18 years of asthma medication, no, no longer need to take it, you know? From, and it was like, okay, I got a little bit of confidence knowing that my theory is accurate. So on a one level, I, I almost wonder if I kind of willed or wished the cancer thing.
’cause it was like I had, I believe, right, that I could heal it with food and with diet. And yet at the same time, I knew that I wouldn’t die from this form of cancer, but to not be a mother to me would’ve been a, a fate worse than death, right? So I was doing, I had been studied with a Qigong teacher and he had a whole protocol around food and how food is the healing medicine.
And I, that completely resonated with me. And I was just searching for anybody that had certain illnesses, specific illnesses that we could target. And I had, again, tremendous success with certain people with who had different diseases with high blood pressure, arterial sclerosis, and lowing cholesterol, 43 points in a week with no exercise changes and no dietary changes except adding in one vegetable. You know? And I, I made ’em smoothies to drink. So I had seen enough to believe it was possible, but I think being fired, being alone, and my child’s father abandoned me in my moment.
And just some other things that were going on in my life, it just felt like too much to really bring my superhero self to that. So I was doing the cancer blast and I was doing, eating all the pineapple top and the rind of the palmetto. I was rotating all these things in the diet.
And these are things that you likely, I’m guessing, researched were anti cancers in nature? Yeah. Okay. Just, yeah. Yeah. That was coming from the cancer protocol, from the Qigong teacher I studied with there, and I was like, so I was following it to the T, but I also realized, and I think this is really relevant to share my own journey, that by the time I eventually got a job and started working again after being fired and initiating that lawsuit.
But I realized that when I started working and I’m out, like the stress of lunch coming and I’m like, well, I can’t eat what’s in the cafeteria and I can’t, I guess I have to go out and where can I go? And then I then of course I have to make food and then, and I developed this anxiety around eating.
And at some point I was like, okay, I feel like this anxiety is more toxic and cancer causing than whatever food I would’ve chosen. And so I’m, it’s aro it is a roller coaster and I’ve ridden the roller coaster and I’ll probably go back to it again when I share about what happened with my daughter.
So I just mean to say I’ve been there and I’ve done that and I do feel like through, with nourishing the vessel, what we’ve created here is a way to say, let’s just breathe into all this and just realize it’s a choice to step onto the roller coaster. I love that. And I would, and you might need to just trust me.
Yeah. Yeah. I was just gonna say I think one of the things that, that kind of came up when you were talking about your dad too, and the guy that, that came in and threw him against the wall, the patient that was angry and frustrated. It’s not anyone’s fault that, you know, yes, you are fully responsible for whatever comes forward in your life on, in your health, including diabetes, including all of, I just heard that.
I just was listening to the Highwire that was yesterday’s, um, mm-hmm. Whatever blast about it, or, and they had said that RFK Junior was quoting when he was in the Senate hearing yesterday. He had just gotten a statistic from the CDC, so this is a very new, it was 76.4% of our population in the US has a chronic disease.
Yeah, yeah. That is like incre. So anyway, the point I wanna make, I wanted to bring that, that forward to people because this particular type of program is gonna apply to anyone who fits in that category, but then anyone beyond that just wants to bring health into your life, because we have never been taught like that patient that was angry, it’s not our fault.
We have not been taught how to take care of ourselves well. And really this whole nourishing the vessel, which we’ll get into is a journey of like how to love on yourself and take care of yourself, and nourish yourself in ways that you never considered nourishment to be a part of it, you know?
Right, right. And I do love that. That’s the feedback we’ve gotten is that even people who are originally, when this was created, it was from, it was, I was thinking of me, you know, or you, right at the beginning of our journey, when we’re just in that state of overwhelm where it’s like, what? I can’t eat dairy or gluten or eggs, like what can I have?
And I, I know that place, you know? And there’s a whole world of possibilities and yeah. Do you have to live differently than everyone else? Yes. And is that a good thing? Yes. So a big piece of this, a big piece of being nourished also is realizing that everything that the foundation that society has been built on, and I think this is the hardest part for people, is not nourishing.
And that’s where when we can get that reframe around to really realize, ’cause people will just immediately reject that’s not true. You know? And it’s like, okay, well let’s walk down that path let’s look at that. And so, and that, and I understand why it’s hard to look at, because when you know, then you have to do something differently.
Mm-hmm. And I see it like, for instance, like with water I am committed to only drinking spring water. Mm-hmm. And I find springs and I walk 30 gallons, not at once, obviously five gallons and three gallons. Mm-hmm. And I seven gallon jugs, and I fill it up and I walk it back to the car.
And people in my life are like, you’re crazy. I can never do that. I don’t have time for that. And it’s like, I don’t have a choice. I don’t, I guess I feel like I, well, I guess I know I have a choice, but my, my point is, my choice is I can’t choose any other than that. I can smell the chlorine coming out of the tap.
Yeah. That’s not acceptable. Even if I’m thirsty, I know my body. I’ve taken it to some crazy limits. It can wait for proper nourishment to come. Totally. And I know that this is an extreme and I know that people aren’t here, and I know that Well, if it’s an extreme, then you’re coupled with the right person.
Because that’s when we were in, in Denver, that’s what we would do is drive to the spring. That was like a couple hours away to go get the water. And then we had a wall of jugs that were filled. Yeah. Yeah, that we would go and I would, yeah, it was great. It was awesome. I would say, and I would say there’s the journey to get the water is so rich.
The conversations with my daughter, the ti or the time she didn’t wanna come when she was older, and the time I spent by myself, it was so rich. And then when I got to the, and so I joke that I’m the woman at the well and then when I get to the, well, you know, and people are sharing their stories and where did you come from and or when it was COVID and
people were gathering at the well to get water. I, you know, I just listened to a podcast yesterday from Free Birth Society and the woman that was sharing her birth story, she met her magical loving partner at a well like that. Oh. So yeah, the magical things can happen around the well, you never know.
Totally. And I do wanna just say if you know off the top of your head, ’cause I can’t remember, there is a website we should reference for people that they can go to. Oh yes, yes. Do you know what it is? I will it’s spring water.com. Oh yeah. I’m gonna look it up Spring. So if, if anyone is curious to find out about the spring water that’s near them, there’s actually a good number of springs around the United States.
Yeah, they’re there. They exist. And it’s really fun. Like I remember when I was in the Bay Area in California and it was a long way off. I never made it to the one that was available. Find a spring. Find a spring, findaspring.com. Org. Do org. Okay, let me put that up. Org.
Yeah. Okay. Let’s see. And let’s see. And then I, and then on that same note not only is Spring water what I drink, but I also I don’t bathe anymore. I mean, I shower, but, and I have a filter, but I do not, I don’t take a bath anymore unless I’m at someone’s property that has a well, or mm-hmm.
It’s a hot spring. A natural hot spring. Right. And I have, the water has been such a teacher and I’ve learned that like I’m the teabag, like it’s true. Like soaking up my skin. The, our skin is our largest organ. And we so easily slap stuff on it that we don’t question. We don’t question what we’ve been told.
And this goes back to your point, that it’s not anyone’s fault, and yet we’re responsible to ask these questions. And so again, I just started at a young age at seeing things and it didn’t make sense. And I kept asking and I kept asking and I kept, and it just kept leading me and leading me. So it’s been a lifelong journey.
There wasn’t any one moment it’s like a sunrise, it’s light for hours before the sun. I’ll just add in there too, that, interestingly enough, that’s kind of been, I have been on that lifelong journey as well. At a very young age, I think I was in high school, I got exposed to this book
at the time it was really a popular book called Fit for Life. I don’t know if anyone did completely date myself to, am I surprise? I’m surprised you know, of this book. Yes. And so I read that book and I think it was mostly vegetarian. I don’t think it was a vegan book. But anyway, I just, it made sense to me.
It started talking about the order in which we eat foods. Yes. And how to, and so I, and at that time in the eighties in California, like every high school girl was wandering around with a giant Evian bottle. That was Uhhuh. Like a thing that was, you were cool if you had- Yeah, exactly.
Yeah. So , so, you know, we were drinking lots of water. I was eating at the health food store, but I, but I would still allow myself certain treats. I wasn’t fully, I wasn’t like a hundred percent in, but I was evolving. But, I’m just, okay. And, and yeah. And then I went into college and at that point in time, this kind of segues nicely into mentioning a little bit about how we’ll be doing a pre workshop so people can get to know us a little bit more.
Mm-hmm. And it’s free. Mm-hmm. It’s a gluten-free workshop. It’s called Never Going Back. And it’s not to say that you if you join us, you won’t go back, but maybe you’ll be like us and you’ll see why I named it that. It’s kind of gonna be a fun mm-hmm. You’re gonna, you’re gonna learn some fun little tidbits about why it’s called that.
But when I was in college, they started introducing the genetic, it wasn’t considered genetically modified. It was, they basically had blasted the gluten cells with nuclear technology. And so it was pre genetic, like actual targeted genetic modification, but they were trying to find a type of wheat that would be more prolific to feed lots of people ’cause at the time we were, the message was to feed the world and we didn’t have enough food and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Everybody was starving. Everyone in Africa was starving. You know, we, it’s hard to tell exactly what was going on, but that was the messaging that was coming across.
In any case, they start plugging in this new form of wheat into the American population. And it basically had a modification, which we’ll go into in the workshop that caused a lot of people to have a reaction, myself being one of ’em. Right. Apparently I’ve since done testing that shows that I do actually have the celiac gene and a gluten sensitivity gene.
So all of those I’ve passed on to my kids. Mm-hmm. And, anyway, I blew up. I started to blow up and get really bloated, and there were lots of little things on my journey of discovery that were challenges in my pregnancy, having Hashimoto’s Hypothyroiditis, which I probably had for longer than I knew about, et cetera, that like going down these more regimented dietary modifications really shifted my health, including completely removing Hashimoto’s. And I would say this diet has set me up so that I have not experienced any menopausal sin or perimenopausal. So I, I just, I keep thinking I’m out of, I’m out of it, I’m into menopause, but I just got my period again, so -Right.
So, but I don’t, I am not, I have no symptoms of that. So anyway, if you choose to go down this route, these are the benefit. These are the long-term benefits that you get. Yeah. So yeah. So whatever you feel like sharing, go for it. And then I’m gonna take a look at some of the questions I have too, but what, what comes up after I say all that?
Yeah. Oh man. I did have a thought, but just that. Or what I hear you echoing, same as me, your own unique storyline, your own unique journey into it. But seeing the body as a vessel, as a, as something that’s an important and worthy of respect is what this journey has deepened I guess I’m speaking on your behalf, but it’s deepened our view of the body as a sacred vessel.
And it’s led to a philosophy of self nourishment as self-respect. And where I percent, hundred percent where I see that to be my experience of that in my community, in the world is when I talk about, or just life, like I just show up at a potluck. I find that people like are afraid to show me, like I, we don’t normally eat this way, you know?
And I’m. I’m not judging you. You’re, whatever choice you’re making is what’s right for you right now. And if you feel like you should be making a different choice, then like, why aren’t you making a different choice? What is limiting you and do you, and if you wanna have that conversation, I’m a safe place to have that conversation, you know?
And so it’s, but I find it’s really triggering for people because, and I feel like what I wanna shift the conversation to -mm-hmm- is to reframe it around if it were, what is self-respect to you, you know, and people mostly think how I’m outwardly seen, how I am portraying outwardly.
It’s like, okay, that’s all great, that’s all great. And what you take in with your eyes, what you take in with your ears, what you take in with your mouth and your nose. Is all also ways that you are respecting yourself or you’re not, and that’s a level of ownership and responsibility that is, I’m trying to, I’m trying to rebrand and like I make it cool, I wanna make that great again.
I love that. Yeah. Oh, that’s so good. I, yeah, I used to say what, I had this really big epiphany moment for myself when I was making some of the harder changes and I started to realize how important I was to a lot of people in my life, my children, my parents. I don’t think, I think I was going through a divorce at the time, so I think I was less important to my ex, but I was definitely important.
There were really. It was really important in dealing, especially navigating that divorce to be there for my kids, right? So I really felt strongly that I needed to value who I was and how I translated that was exactly what you’re saying. It’s now more than ever so important what I, every little tiny bite I put in my mouth because every little bite of food can either cause a huge cascade of fire alarms going off as a inflammatory response.
Or it can start to continually calm my body system, my vessel so that I can be the strong woman that I know myself to be. And as you know, as a single mom, being a single mom is hard. Hard work. And I’m not saying it’s not hard for other people, but there’s other circumstances that it, like, it’s almost, it’s so interesting to me that we were both single moms going through that and realizing that I think that you either come to that realization or you can get crushed by it.
Anyway, side note, but yes, I a hundred percent -mm-hmm- agree with you on this space of honoring ourselves. Yeah. And like for me, I had that a similar little moment. It was prior to any of my health issues. But it was more as I was just learning about organic food in as at 25 and I was learning about how that was, I just, that wasn’t on my radar that the quality of the food mattered that I needed to read a label like that was not on my radar. And then my child’s dad actually can, that’s besides her one of the greatest things I got was he turned, I had never heard of a paraben, I had never heard of organic food.
I had never heard of any of this stuff. And so he, that was my red pill moment, you know, at, in the tender age of 23, I guess Uhhuh 24. And one of my big aha moments kind of early on was like, it’s simple, but it’s so profound. And when I share it with people it helps again, create that reframe that is helpful to just keep moving forward as you trudge through the everyday stuff.
Right. Although maybe we wanna do less trudging and more gliding and Yes. And yeah, floating. But it’s that it dawned on me. I was, I oh, so through the, my sister’s husband’s, going through that quad, being a quadriplegic and being by his bed and being in graduate school and just feeling like there’s not enough meaning, and I wish I could nourish him.
I went and got a separate degree in a massage program, a thousand hour program, holistic health practitioner program. And I, that’s where I got exposed to all the Eastern philosophies, which then led me into Qigong and other things and meditation and all the eastern philosophies. That was like my introduction to them.
So part of going to massage school is you trade and you get a lot of massage. It was a great season of life, and I was very stressed out. I was, that’s probably where I went. I was like, I’m so stressed out for being 25. This isn’t good. I’m close to a heart attack. And so in, in that part of my going to that class, I was like, or that school was, that every class was a promise I made to myself was, whatever they do, whatever they say to do, whatever they talk about, I’m doing, I’m the experience. I’ve learned enough about research. I’ve conducted enough research. I’m, I am gonna be the research project, and I’m gonna do, if we’re in Herbology class, I’m gonna make tinctures.
I’m gonna make decoctions. I’m gonna do whatever we’re talking about doing. If we’re in a abiyanga massage class, like I’m finding as many people as I can rub hot oil up and down their body, and I’m gonna learn abiyanga. And I’m, I’ve got really immersed myself in that education because I, like I said, I was so stressed out at 25, I needed something.
And what dawned on me was like, oh, wow, health is not a state. It’s not like I could drive to California and now I’m in the state of health. Health is a choice I have to make every day. And I, and specifically it was like, I’ll never drink enough water to be hydrated. I can only make that choice each day and throughout that day, check in, am I really hydrated?
And that was, I was again younger. So it was this like, like, wow, I, wow, that’s something I have to manage. That’s something that’s like on me. Mm-hmm. I’m responsible for making sure I’m properly hydrated. And now looking back on it as a 45-year-old, it’s like, I’m glad I had that to, I’m anchored to that awe and that responsibility of it, because I have definitely as a single mother and small business owner and person, had days where I did not properly hydrate, you know, or for sure.
Or have gone into menopause and developed conditions where it’s like, wow, I’ve, I have. I understand. I live in the world like everyone else. I understand I’m not perfect at, at everything, but I am willing to be curious around, did I get enough water? Am I sleeping enough? Did I have enough protein today?
And and knowing these, learning that these fundamentals keep me in a state of being nourished. I love that. Or they don’t. Or I’m a state of depletion. Yeah. Trying to make everything work. And I feel like this is what, oh, this is what would come to me when you had shared what has happened in society is we’ve made depletion the new normal and we’ve made how productive we can be at the expense of depleting and sacrificing ourselves.
That’s what we respect on in a societal level. And I feel it’s changing. I know. I believe it’s changing. I see it changing in my own life and I’m stoked to be a part of that to, and I’m ready to be a pillar in this community where it’s more like I’m actually, you know what, that shows me that you’re willing to compromise on things that are the most important things.
And so, while I might be criticisms of that approach might be that I am being too sensitive, or I am, I’m too nitpicky and I’m wanting to hold a boundary around saying like, no, how you do one thing is how you do everything. And so, -mm-hmm- i wanna do that one thing with as much intention and presence and care as I can.
And I, I want to not be on autopilot. I mean that’s, that my goal would be a hundred percent embodiment, a hundred percent presence. And I don’t know if I’ll get there in that this lifetime, but why? But I can, I am fueled and passionate and inspired to do my best to be, bring as much presence, to bring as much attention, to bring as much of that embodiment to every moment.
And I do see that I’m getting like a fine red wine. I’m getting better with age. Exactly. And that leads into one of the questions that I was gonna ask, which was there, there’s other things I still wanna ask you that kind of backtrack in your life. But why do you believe nourishment, whether it’s food presence or healing practices, is so essential in our current times?
Why now? Why now for people?
Wow. Yeah. I have to just breathe into that. No, I know. It’s a big, it’s really big because this is like your whole purpose. I know. So the Victoria is so passionate about helping people make a difference in their life. This is a big ask for her to share. Yeah. Yeah, because I see, okay, so back to that researcher mind, right?
Mm-hmm. My ability to see patterns, how fast my mind works in seeing it. It’s a blessing and a burden, but I see my sister, my friends, myself, ’cause I’ve, again, not perfect at practicing it, but getting better. I see people running on empty. Mm-hmm. I see them disconnected from their bodies.
I see them numbing life by scrolling on their screens and not being present at their child’s soccer game. And I see how the mundane has been made. It’s been like decoupled from dopamine hits, you know? I see how addiction has shifted from, well, I mean, know it’s still there, drug sex shopping.
But it’s now, and this is, there’s leading research, I still keep up with the leading research, like the leading research on like dopamine is that it’s shifted, it’s changed into our screens and in these more acceptable forms. Mm-hmm. Right. And it’s, and I’m saying it’s not acceptable and I will gladly die on this cross if it, that’s what it is.
If it causes anybody to wanna question, like giving themself limits with their setting a timer when they’re on their phone or when they’re allowing their child or themselves to play a video game or, yeah. I see how I guess to me the tears are because I ultimately see this as a spiritual war.
Mm-hmm. I ultimately see that these things that we’re talking about, these external manifestations that we all interface with, we all do commerce with. To me, in what I’ve witnessed, the life I’ve led, the amount of time that I’ve also withdrawn from doing commerce intentionally withdrawn from doing commerce with the world and sat in stillness and also the work I’ve done with my body through fasting like, and to get really, really quiet.
I can’t help but see beyond the surface level. And I really see that this is more of a spiritual war and it pains me that, that the hustle and the depletion. And the consumption, the addiction to consuming is what is valued and respected and honored. And it’s a total inverse of what is, what truly I feel we were designed to honor, which is, whatever is sa I mean, and it all can be sacred.
It just really depends on where you’re at in your life. But yeah, so much time can, so much can be gleaned from sitting in silence next to a creek, literally not doing anything. And to, to people in my every life, in my family of origin, that seems like a waste of an afternoon. Right.
And for me, I’ve just always needed that outlet. And I see how I’ve been a bridge for others who forget. And I understand too. I accept now too, that I am like, so in my mind I’m like, I’m not too different from everyone else. But now I’ve come to realize no, you are like, you’re definitely in a league of, well, not my own, there’s, there are others here, but, we’re, not the majority basically.
And so I see I’m on that bridge to, to lead people to want to, whether it’s go on a hike or go with me to get water. You know, I’m an evangelist of sorts. I will offer to take other people’s jugs, you know? And so they are like, I just want to get the goodness in you, however I can get it in, which is cute little segue with my bakery, right?
So my daughter’s food allergies, they, she was fine. She ate, we ate, I mean, again, we ate clean food, but she ate whatever. And she, and we were nursing and she was fine. And then all of a sudden outta nowhere, a little just to what is clean food? Because everybody has a different definition of what clean food is.
Okay. Clean food, what were you Clean food would be as much local as possible. An organic label and if it’s non-organic, it, there’d have to be a compelling reason why I would be okay. But the non GMO project certified certification got it. If it’s something that, an ingredient, we needed to make something and that was all we, that’s at least that.
But yeah. Okay. And. As least processed as possible, you know? So I was very much like, made my own everything. And so, yeah. So your question, nourishment, how is it more than just, we’ll get back to Aurora too. Yeah. It’s the nourishment is the coming together, the making the butter from scratch, the mayonnaise from scratch, the ice cream from scratch, whatever it was.
Because as I had at that point, when my daughter came, I had 15 years of eating in this way and reading labels. And then when she came into the picture and this thumb size little tiny, thumbnail size rash behind her right knee in two weeks, spread like wildfire to the folds every fold of her skin.
And she would scratch at night. And I would, I mean, we co-slept and I would, I’d, I’d try to grab her arm and put it off. She wore long, even in the summer, she wore long sleeve pajamas and she’d scratch and it, she’d bleed through Wow. The pajamas. And it was like, this is not okay. This cannot happen.
And I’m all about nourishing you like it, this can’t happen. And so I wanted to do allergy testing and then my mama friends were like, why don’t you just start with the basic known allergens and do elimination. Take everything out, put one in and see how her body responds to it. So I did that and we found each day, airy eggs, dairy, gluten, each had their own reaction.
Her body reacted differently to each of those illnesses. So she was about to turn two. So it was like, yeah, I didn’t wanna do the invasive back, the scratch test and all that. It was like, let’s start here. Right? And, so anyway, it was sort of funny. We were like, I thought we were taking her out for her last meal, eating whatever she wanted and then gonna go do that test.
And it ended up being, it was my last meal because I wanted to keep nourishing her. So we took the food out of her diet, or I took the food out of her diet and then it was crazy like I’m eating a bagel with cream cheese in front of her, and she’s like, right, right. I have something besides bean.
Oh my gosh. Well, I made, no, I made her this delicious, like quinoa bean, my own homemade patty instead of a store-bought one. Right. Made my own one for her. And it was good and she loved it, but not next to mommy eating a ba. And so then I’m like, and now I’m gonna closet eat and hide it from her.
Right. You know, it’s that was ridiculous. Her skin had only cleared up a little bit. So then when I took the gluten eggs and dairy out of my diet as well, because I was nursing her, still her skin completely cleared up. Wow. And that was like the evidence where I was like, oh, okay, I gotta join you on this diet.
And I think part of that was a gift to humanity because I will not eat cardboard. The stuff I saw out there when I would buy gluten-free things, it was dry, crumbly, gross flavorless, and filled with so many ingredients. I’m like, this is not nourishing. This is, no, this is not, I’m not eating this.
And I felt with Xanthum gum particular, I would feel burning sensation going down my throat. So I was like. Okay. And I was like, do I really have to make everything from scratch? And so I, so it began, so it started with like, well, damnit, you’re gonna eat cookies and cake and bread and I’m gonna find out how we’re gonna find a way to nourish you.
And so two years of tinkering and reading. Reading different blogs and what people did and their blends, but nobody really, everyone was throwing xanthum gum in there ’cause they wanna mimic gluten. And I’m like, I’d just rather not eat bread ever again if in versus eating something that I feel a burning sensation going down my throat.
Like that cannot be how the, I always had, I operate from this fundamental belief that there is a divine source being the God who made stars and waterfalls and beautiful flowers is like, yeah, I’m gonna talk about bread in this book, but the rest of you eat this crap. You know? It just, it did not line up for me in my worldview.
So I was like, and I do think part of having this knowing in my body, I’m like, yo, there has to be a way, there’s no way that God would not be like the rest of, you’re screwed. And because I had that believing, I just felt like I was led to make birth. Really, something that is, every ingredient is a standalone source of nutrition.
Nobody can say that the bread is chewy. It’s, it toasts perfectly. It’s like truly, I feel like a dream come true and you’re nourishing yourself, like it’s a dream come true. And then well tell ’em the flavors too. ’cause you’ve got like, yeah, yeah. And then not only is it. As close to bread as you can get, the nutrient density of migraines, nobody’s using it.
And it’s one cup of my batter, 36 grams of protein, 32 grams of fiber. The two main flowers meet over 75% of your daily recommended vitamins, minerals, and nutrients. It’s like a no brainer, but when people eat bread they’re like, but I’m addicted to carbs. I’m a carb queen. You eat it with guilt and you just, it’s so acceptable.
It’s so like how pe where the norm lives, and I am saying that’s unacceptable. I want to eat and not feel any of that. And not because I’m in denial and not because I’m repressing it and not because I’m disassociated from myself. I want to eat it with the excitement of. Exactly. I’m nourishing myself and I’m getting my carb kit.
Yeah, it’s possible. It’s possible. Well, there’s more to it too. And I, we won’t necessarily go into all of it here just for the sake of time, but you know, kind of almost biblical historical, like roots around like sharing bread and -right- and all of that, you know, which is, so this is interesting.
So deeply ingrained Yes. Ingrained in us. Right. And that is a purposefully chosen word there. Yeah. I love it. That we really, we have this special thing about sharing bread with each other and sharing those things. It goes really deep. And so just to say there may or may not be people that have had to remove all grains from their diet and this nourishing the vessel will absolutely serve you as well. A hundred percent. Right. We’re not saying you have to eat Victoria’s bread. If you join us on nourishing the vessel. We’re, it’s a wonderful tool, especially for people that are wanting to take some first steps in alignment with their greater health on the journey of transitioning their food intakes.
Because there’s gluten is just such it, I think it’s like, they’ve done studies where it’s a very high percent of the population that has an actual sensitivity, like the genes for sensitivity. Yeah. So even if a lot of people will say, I don’t have a reaction to gluten, or I took it outta my life and then I put it back in and I was fine.
You will really not know the difference until you’ve taken it out for at minimum six months or a year. Yeah. Really like a year. And it can’t be there. There’s no like, oh, I had a bite of my friend’s quiche or something like that. No, you don’t get to have any little mini bites because your body knows.
When you’ve taken just a tiny bit of it, it will consider that you’ve had the whole reaction again. And it’s very, so it’s almost like you have to start back over again. Go ahead. Okay. I, this just dropped in my head as you said, that the body is the ultimate witness. Mm-hmm. It is. With you, obviously, every moment of your existence here, and it is witnessing your choices.
It’s the container for your cortisol as you’re reacting to something, a situation. It is the ultimate witness. And if I, if you were to personify it as something separate or other from you could you imagine any other person walking around with you or camera crew walking around with you as you take something in and then not saying like, how did that work for you?
Like, how was that? How did, what was your experience through what just happened here? But with our body, we have the choice to gaslight it, to deny it, to repress it, to disassociate from it. We have a freedom, like free will is a burden actually can be. And it goes back to love.
True love by definition requires that you have a choice. You may choose. To be here with me fully and know me completely and take this, the depths that we could take it to, or you could fly and be free. That is God’s incredible gift that can so easily be minimized, glossed over, not wanting take, but to sit in the fullness of that there’s this choice.
And so our bodies are not just vehicles, they are this intelligent design, I don’t even know what word I would, could use to contain this is intelligent, very sophisticated expression of our consciousness. Really? Yeah. It’s very sophisticated piece of machinery. If we’re gonna lower it to even that level for the average person to take on like it is.
It is with you and it sees everything, and it’s very humbling to come back to your body and say, I’ve made a mistake. That was a mistake. I’m ready to listen to you. I’m ready to allow you to guide me. I’m ready for, to, I’m ready. Or maybe not you. I’m ready for us to have this relationship where you give me feedback, I put in, I in give you inputs, right?
Mm-hmm. I give you inputs, you transform it, and then you give me an output that lets me see how on traje, how on or off of my trajectory, my stated trajectory I will get. And that output is quality of your stool. The quality of your eliminations. I guess we’ll just say, you know, um, the, the amount of phlegm that you live with, I mean, the people that I brain fog or brain clarity.
Sure. Sleeping better or sleeping worse. Yeah, there’s so many pieces of it and I would just wanna to piggyback on that and say that this is one of those things that like, it’s really like we’re explaining this to a larger population that, that maybe hasn’t been down this journey before or is taking the first steps around this journey, or maybe has started the journey but needs a little extra handholding, you know?
Yeah. And we are here to say after, 15 plus years, 20 years of the, of doing this and then our lives, like we said, always being very aware that the fruits of this are not just the removal of a chronic condition or a disease. Mm-hmm. The fruits of this are a commun a true communion with your vessel.
Like when you start to really have this re this deep relationship with your body, that’s why it’s really hard for us to have this conversation and explain it on a superficial level because it just really won’t make sense. But truly it is the merging of our consciousness at a cellular level.
This is the expression of God within the body. This is truly when you nourish your vessel appropriately, this is what we’re meant to be. This is the, and the full. And we’re not even there. We’re just a few baby steps ahead of you, maybe down this journey. And we’re like, yes, come on.
The journey with us guys. Yeah, we wanna hold your hands and we’re so happy to tell you that we had a successful trial run of this course and the feedback was how amazing it was to be in community. Mm-hmm. And. And we want, we wanna invite you all to be a part of this for, it’s a five week period, it’s right before Thanksgiving, and that it ends right before Thanksgiving.
So you’ll have all the tools to navigate the holidays, right? With make, because that’s the hardest point, is people are always saying, we hear this in our clinic all the time. Well, I don’t wanna start this now. People say September, right? Or even the end of sep, right? There’s reasons why they get off their program at the beginning of summer because there’s all these summer foods and they wanna get back on it.
But there’s the holidays that are looming and then what, there’s that magic transition at the new year when everybody’s like, okay, I’ll start now. And they do it for four or five months and then fall off the track. So we’re here to provide you with this beautiful, beautifully crafted course with incredible handholding and community for a five week period.
So it’s, why don’t you share with everybody what. What the course consists of because it’s quite robust and really fun. Yes.
Okay. So in this five week journey, the way the week structure looks like is we meet on Wednesday for content call, and then on the weekend we have a session where we play together.
And again, this part is definitely voluntary, but we’d love to see you and it’s where we have a baking session and you’ll get a welcome kit. You’ll get my all purpose flour mix and recipe cards. You’ll get teas, a journal, we have a beautiful little welcome package for you. And then, we meet on Wednesday, sat Sunday afternoon.
We have our baking session together where we’re connecting in that way. And then on Tuesday, or maybe it’s Monday, sorry, Monday we have, yeah, Monday, right? Monday afternoon we have our integration call. And this is where we check in with how is it going, regarding the topics, the practices that we’re learning.
Are you bringing it into your everyday life? What are you experiencing as you bring it into your everyday life? If you’re not bringing into your everyday life, why aren’t you not bringing into your everyday life? What would need to shift and change for you? And so that’s where it’s the riches, the integration calls are by far, I mean, it’s hard to say, which is, it’s, that’s also rich.
But the integration call is where the sharing, and I call it the juiciness. You know, that’s where if we’re talking about the fruit of our labor, that’s where it’s that, that sinking your teeth into the juicy fruit of everything that we learned. And then, how we’re, how are the homework is going.
And and then also the playtime, through the baking I think is also just a time to be a person and to develop this new habit of. Often we outsource our nourishment to others. So this is again, there we have it there for you to have an anchor to come back and say, no, this is gonna, I’m just gonna experiment for five weeks.
Where for I do self-care and that self-care looks like coming together and baking something that I, that can nourish me for the week until the next week when I have my next two hour self-care session and I bake something else. So yeah, it’s gonna be such a rich, rich time together from -Yeah.
Learning each of the, what we have for you, each plan. And then again, obviously it, we start on one level and it deepens and it just each week unfolds and unfolds and unfolds even more, and they will be recorded. We really do recommend that you make space in your schedule to be present because. The power of showing up is actually nourishing.
It’s you choosing to nourish your vessel just by showing up and, um, mm-hmm. So if you have to leave a few minutes early or those types of things Yeah, yeah. We understand that. But we really do ask that you consider making space for this. So you, what you can do is there’s, if you go to yin care.com/courses, you’ll be able to sign up both for nourishing the vessel.
And if you really wanna just get a splash of who Victoria and Margaret are definitely sign up for never going back, which will be our gluten-free workshop that is on October 8th. And then the course for Nourishing the Vessel starts a couple weeks later. I think it’s the 22nd is when, mm-hmm that’s gonna start. And we are just so excited to discover where this is landing for you guys. Feel free to comment on this, on the video. Let us know what your thoughts are, any questions you might have about the course. We’d be more than happy to reach back out to you.
You can also go to the contact us form on yin care.com and complete that. And if say that you have a question about the course and we can definitely reach back out to you, that would be awesome. Also, just wanna make sure everybody knows Victoria’s website and that is Oh yes, bakery.com.
You can order her bread, you can check out, she’s got lots of different products actually on there. And learn more about what she’s got going on. Yeah, and it’s amazing bread. So highly recommend that. And then definitely you’re gonna want to go over to her Instagram accounts. We, there’s two of ’em.
There’s o Yes. Bakery, it’s at o Yes. Bakery and at Nourish the Vessel. So, Nourish the Vessel is a newer Instagram account because this is just launching. So just stay tuned to all of the fun content that will be posted there. I will of course be collaborating on this so there will be content that I’ll be posting on Yin-care®.
And yeah, we’re really excited to have you guys join us. And I’m just, Victoria, before we completely wrap up, what do you want to share last or feel like wasn’t touched on or any of that?
Hmm. I hope that I’ve, I hope that you and I have both been able to really speak to people’s hearts in a way that they don’t feel judged. Judged in a way that they don’t feel there, that there our intentions are pure and that we understand how we got here. And there, there are many reasons and we don’t even have to agree on what those are.
All are welcome and to who are just fed up and are, have that they just have a knowing that there’s more than what they’ve, where they’ve gotten at in their life and that this would be a safe. Place to examine that, be curious about that, and also be very practical and start to make some changes, minor changes throughout their life.
And even those small changes will be so nourishing and so life-giving that I can truly claim that this is, I know it gets used a lot, but it is a life changing experience. And it’s being held by two people who have trudged through. And we just want to create a community in a world where we don’t have to trudge anymore.
We can glide and we wanna, like the purpose of this is to -yeah- make it in whatever way we can. Easier. Whatever way we can help lighten the load and just multiply the joy, and divide the burden through the community. That’s who we long to be. And I hope that is what you, I hope that’s what came through and I hope that people feel Yeah.
Like it’s a possibility. I love that. I love that. Thank you so much, Victoria. It was just so awesome to make this happen today, and thank you so much for just sharing your wisdom and your life experience. It really is such an honor. Yeah. Well, yeah. May it do as much good can come from it as possible.
Wonderful. Thank you for having me. You’re welcome. Oh.
