Okay. Welcome. Welcome in everyone. Welcome. I am your host, Margaret Jacobson, the Mother Rising, and this is the Yin-care® podcast. Today we are taking a very tender and deep sidestep from the medical indoctrination series that we’ve been doing, and we often talk about health creation and sovereignty in terms of physical protocols, but today we’re exploring what it means to hold those values in the most delicate moments.
A mother can face the birth and death of a baby. In December of 2020, as I was finding my own footing and grounding in our new home in Wyoming, my world was beginning to unravel to say the least. The structures that I thought I knew [00:01:00] were shifting. And in that space, I found a voice that spoke truth that I had not heard before.
And that voice beyond belonged to Xiang or Xi, founder of the Earth Star Academy. And over the last few years, she has been one of my most profound teachers helping me come out of the star seeded closet as a sovereign seeker of original creation sciences. I originally planned to interview Xi about the incredible womb containers and workshops that she facilitates because in all honesty, they are so profound.
I really want other women to know about them. But we are going to instead today, focus on what really inspired her to create the womb containers. As we sit down today, we’re going to be honoring Mother’s Day in a very different and profound, and in my opinion, vital way. Today we will be discussing Xi’s first birth of her daughter, Cara, in [00:02:00] 2020, who initiated her womb as Stargate and brought forward the teachings of the womb containers.
In that incarnation, Cara only lived nine days. We’ll be discussing this deep and profound loss and the huge transformation that Cara brought forward. Xi is the founder of the Earth Star Academy, a space where heart-centered humans become divine powered instruments of God, love and heaven on earth. ESA, as it’s known, is a global movement helping humanity.
Remember that heaven on Earth begins with you. She’s also the creator of the womb temple, the fountain of wisdom and living sanctuary For Daughters of Holy Mother. Xi is an oracle of divine love and keeper of original creation sciences through the arts of Oracle transmission, singing, writing, and multidimensional energy work.
Xi is guiding humanity back into the heart of [00:03:00] creation by living a life of reverence, devotion, and higher purpose. Additionally, Z is an author of the book I Am Star Seeded and other books in the works. Xi was born in China and her family immigrated to Canada when she was nine. Her given birth name is Xiang, as I mentioned, and roughly translated means fragrant, medicinal tea, and most importantly in my eyes is her family.
Xi is married to her husband, Shane McGregor, founder of the Solar Brotherhood, and mother to two little ones. Xi, Welcome, welcome to the Yin-care® podcast.
Speaker 2: Wow, that was the most exquisite intro anyone has ever shared. Thank you so much. I feel so welcome. I started crying a little bit. Oh,
Speaker: oh, that’s so sweet.
Well, you know, I, I, I only like, like, it’s not to say I don’t, I only like, but I really love doing interviews with people who are [00:04:00] meaningful in my life, you know, and I feel like I know your work so well that like, it was so easy to write.
Anyway. Well, let me go ahead and pull up, I wanna just see here. I’m looking at you right now, but. I’d really love to just start with Kara’s story because I feel like it’s foundational and uh, obviously to this conversation. And there are a lot of pieces in there that I would love to tease out for my audience that we kind of spoke about before the call.
And you have a beautiful sharing of Cara’s story on YouTube that I can, you know, share and reference for everybody in the show description. Um, but for the podcast, I’m just hoping that you can just share briefly like Cara’s story.
Speaker 2: Sure. Um, so my story with Cara began in 2019, and at the time I was sort of living in my car.
I was, you know, I would say houseless, you know, not necessarily homeless ’cause my home was on the road, but [00:05:00] I was really traveling and doing prayers with God and going wherever I was guided, I was living a very free life. Um, but obviously, you know, kind of impoverished in a lot of other ways. And, um, I remember in the summer, it was one day, um, I was with my ex-boyfriend at the time and I.
This beautiful angel appeared one summer day and she was like, stop doing your Daoist anti contraception, you know, practices. I’m the soul of your child and I’m needing to come in now. And it was like a very firm, you know, instruction and I’ve always known that I was gonna be a mother. You know, it was one of these things that is just, you just know, you know, it was one of those things that I really look forward to.
Um, I think I have a very maternal instinct and just the idea of motherhood was just always something I look forward to. But I wasn’t expecting it to come, you know, so soon. I was 25 years old at the time and, um, you know, living in that way, I was, um, I was not ready. But this being was very assured and she reached out her [00:06:00] hand in this vision and this fire came out of her.
Palm and she said, I’m coming to teach you how to materialize things from thin air. And so a month after that, my, uh, partner and I moved onto this piece of land in New Mexico where I have like a little rv and we just moved into this beautiful desert forest. And a month later I was pregnant with her. And, um, what was so profound about this pregnancy was that basically every single day I had this direct telepathic relationship with her.
It was pretty extraordinary in the ways that, you know, I live a pretty strange life and so I don’t have a lot of human friends, you know, especially at that time just having started living in this way. Uh, and yet here was a being that I felt like was my soul’s best friend. Like I felt like we had the same purpose.
We were like cut from the same cloth, so to speak, that we were coming to the earth, that God created us for like the same reason. [00:07:00] And we’d also been, you know, friends and allies and specifically in these visions I was receiving that she was my soul’s teacher. So throughout my pregnancy with her, she was teaching me all sorts of stuff.
I mean, I was telepathic with her, you know, all the time. I was having hour long conversations with this being, you know, I’d be driving and I could just see her soul flying next to the car. It was a very visceral experience, and I mean, I, I was very psychically open before that, but this was beyond anything that I had ever experienced before.
Um, and so she started teaching me about, you know, the womb and the cervix, and she was preparing my body to give birth to her, basically. And, and one of the primary things that she, that I was really concerned about was obviously not having the financial support to be able to raise her. Mm-hmm. And, you know, we were living in this RV and making like $600 a month.
I’m like, how the heck am I supposed to raise this baby? And. She started teaching me about, you know, c organic creativity and how to lean into our [00:08:00] body and our spiritual anatomy to create things, you know, that are aligned with our soul and direct creations from God that creates prosperity. You know, really understanding that our bodies are connected to the, to nature, to the earth.
And that prosperity is an element that is woven into this creation and that poverty is one of these, you know, spells of the false matrix, soul prison. It used to control humanity and all those things. I mean, it’s very, very wild. And so one night, um, in the middle of the night, I woke up and I see this sound wave coming from my belly.
And it was like she was screaming from my belly and she was saying, Kara, Kara, Kara, Kara. I’m like, whoa, whoa. Like your name is Kara. Like, I get it, you know? And she’s like, okay, I just wanted to make sure you could hear me because I heard you guys are a little bit hard of hearing on the other side of the,
and then a few days, you know, after [00:09:00] that I woke up at five, or, you know, early in the morning again and just looking frantically for a pen. And I basically wrote out this entire nine week course. That was the first healing, the boom course, um, that I received, you know, entirely from her. Um, her, and it brought in about 70 women.
It was really, really beautiful. So sweet.
Speaker: So sorry to stop you, but did you do that when you were pregnant with her then? Yes. Wow.
Speaker 2: Yes. And you know, it was really profound because women felt, you know, that there was an energy. She called the course, healing the womb, the return of the original divine mother goddess frequency.
And I was like, that’s a really long name. She’s like, every single word is needed. So, you know, I was just really leaning on what it felt like was she was home with God and the frequencies that were coming through her were so pure and so beyond this world that it was really healing, you know, my whole body and helping me see and contrast how much [00:10:00] distortion and, um, intentional manipulation there was on planet Earth.
Speaker: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2: You know, from religion to new age, to politics, to, you know, everything. It’s just very wild to feel this pure peace, open wide eye joy, awe of the beauty of creation. You know, this pure energy in contrast to what we have here on the earth. And a lot of what was happening was just bringing that energy through into this world.
Speaker: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2: Um, and then. When that container was completed, um, we, you know, I magically received this inheritance, um, you know, and was able to put a down payment on this modular home. And so somehow through everything that was happening with her, we had this house and we were able to like, move into the house before she was born, you know, talking about materializing things from thin air.
Um, and, you know, we, uh, gave birth to her in that home.
Speaker: That, that is like a whole interesting side story because [00:11:00] that was actually the original interview I saw of you was you being interviewed by a man, I think was in Joshua Tree, California Uhhuh. And he was asking you about like how you got the property.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker: And this, that’s like a whole other magical story.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It’s
Speaker: just crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: Do you still have the property, by the way?
Speaker 2: Yes, I do. So I inherited that property. Long story short, you know, I received a message that I was, you know, meant to create these new Earth communities. And I, um, found this randomly on online and I ended up visiting this land.
And, you know, basically the guy said that the, the man who had purchased that land before I came, he had died, um, of cancer. But before he passed, he said that this little Chinese girl was gonna come and this land and his retirement fund was meant for her to continue the project. And so this man had been there on the land for a [00:12:00] year, like, you know, wondering what to believe and what to do with the land.
And then, you know, I showed up and so he ended up just passing. Um, it to me and how we were able to get this house was through like, what remained from the retirement fund that that man steward had left, left for me, I guess. Wow.
Speaker: That is so amazing. Wow. That is so amazing, because that is so linked to Kara.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Speaker: Okay. Continue on.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, um, it was really, it, um, idyllic really. Her birth, um, happened in the morning and it was just me and, um, my partner and, um, I had like a postpartum doula who was there to take care of us after the birth. But really we were, you know, having a free birth and, um. You know, I started getting these contractions and within two hours she was here.
So it was like a really fast process. And, um, I think the reason why it was so smooth and so useful for my body is because I’ve been, you know, practicing and really getting into attunement with my [00:13:00] body and really trusting my body, learning about pain. One of the main things that she was sharing with me that I’m in deep exploration over, is this idea of the orgasmic birth.
Speaker: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2: Because part of what Cara was, she showed me this documentary called Orgasmic Birth and showed me that it was possible, you know, every single depiction of birth I’d ever seen is like so much pain. Like everybody’s belief around birth is like, it’s like the most painful thing in, in the universe, right?
Yeah. Like, I’ve never even conceived that, like, you know, it’s just so deeply embedded in our programming. So when I watched that movie, there was this one scene of the woman at the end. She was giving birth in a tub, and she just has like the most outrageous cosmic orgasm as her baby was being born. I was like, what the, like, it just like blew my mind obviously.
I was like, what? Like if that’s possible, it just changed everything because, you know, understanding that God created our bodies as a [00:14:00] temple of the Holy Spirit. And the likeness and image of God, that the way that our, our bodies are created, we can see into our body the nature of our creator. Right? And this is a, a process the early Christians called natural revelation, which is why a lot of the churches were built, you know, in the most beautiful places in nature.
And they lived very monastic lives of it, just being in contact with the force of nature that is God and just sitting in the glory and the beauty and the majesty of God. Yeah. And so we can see that in our body. Of course, that’s like not what modern religion teaches people, uh, but it is in, in the original mysteries that, you know, bodies are holy and divine and created by God for a very special purpose.
And so. It got me thinking about how this deception, um, it really is stealing that original nature from us because God created us. You know, think about this. [00:15:00] God created us to create life and experience life and be born into life through joy, through pleasure. That we are meant to experience joy and pleasure, and ease and holiness and goodness and health in all of our days.
We were not created to experience a level of emotional torment that we see in the masses today. How related is that to everybody being born through a portal of pain and fear, and also the lack of support for the mothers, and also disassociation from drugs, right? Mm-hmm. Like, how is that affecting every human being, the collective consciousness on the planet?
I mean, that is everything that I was thinking about through this birth process with Kara. Um, and then. Um, it was the most peaceful nine days of my life. She was here, she was beautiful, and, um, everything was amazing. We were watching, um, avatar, the last Airbender, um, I don’t know if you know, it’s like a cartoon and [00:16:00] this one episode.
Speaker: Oh, yeah, I think I have seen. Okay.
Speaker 2: So like, they like, have abilities and they’d bend water and the earth and whatnot, and was the avatar. And in this episode he, um, went to the air temple to see his master, and his master was moving him through the chakras. And when he got to the crown chakra. His master said, in order to reach true enlightenment, you have to let go of the thing that you love the most.
You know, not that you have to like let it go, like abandon it, but just like be willing to not be so attached to it and to be trusting that there is a plan for you in God’s plan. And like there’s nothing in this life that we get to like cling onto. And that in order for you to reach that level of, um, obedience and surrender, you have to let go of your attachment basically.
And in the show it was like this girl that he had a crush on. And so that was the last episode that we watched of that show when, um, all of a sudden on the ninth day in the evening [00:17:00] time, there was a massive rainbow on the land. Uh, and then, um, little Cara started hyperventilating. She started breathing really, really fast and I knew that something was wrong.
When her body was just like, just starting to get a little bit cool, you know, she was having a hard time breathing. And so at that point I realized that we needed to go to the hospital. Mm-hmm. Um, so, so began kind of the worst night of my whole life when I got plummeted right into the, into the demon realm, really?
Mm-hmm. Um, but, you know, all the way when we were driving there, I cannot already see her body again, flying outside of the car. And she was trying to tell me like, mom, this is my plan. This is, you know, what we agreed upon. But like, I was not really, like, I, I couldn’t really reconcile that moment. Like, I was very much just in my human experience, like basically panic, like having a panic attack myself, but like needing to like hold the experience.
And, um, we got to the [00:18:00] hospital and basically, you know, we found out that she had a heart defect and her heart was. 50% larger than it was supposed to be. And so of course, it’s like teaching us about divine love and this love is too big for us. You know, this love is too big and she couldn’t hold it in her body, um, at that time.
And so, you know, we were only there for, you know, over the night. And in the early morning, um, she passed away. Um, and so that morning I got a text message from one of these like motivation, automated text, things that I subscribe to, and it came in in the morning, you know, when you’re in like a super, you know, deep experience, like everything is just like so lucid and vivid.
Well, this message came in and it was a Bruce Lee, uh, message, uh, Bruce Lee, um, quote. Mm-hmm. And I said, if you love life, then don’t waste time, because [00:19:00] time is what life is made of.
Speaker: Wow.
Speaker 2: And it literally just hit me. And I was seeing, you know, the spirit of care. In fact, I felt her everywhere. I’m getting so many, like right now.
Um, first off, I felt like there was something so evil happening in the hospital. Like she brought us into that space. So I can see, you know, there was a pediatrician that was on her case and there was something like just off with him. It was like he was not in a, in a consciousness of benevolence. Like he wasn’t really there to like.
Love the children. Like there was something just like, I wanna use the word evil. Like that’s what I felt.
Speaker: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2: Um, but I felt like Kara had brought me into the hospital just like to see what that system was like and how the care professionals are gonna take care of me. And you know, in that morning we, we got harassed by the police.
They were questioning us, they were doing all these things and like the [00:20:00] doctor was like really off. Meanwhile, you know, Cara spirit had gone back to the everything. And because I love her so much, my consciousness basically went with her. And it was the most profound experience that I’ve ever had, because for the next three days, you would’ve thought that I’d just be completely devastated and broken.
Mm-hmm. But there was a supernatural piece that was in and around me and everywhere. Like I was seeing her in the clouds, I was seeing her in the trees. I was seeing her literally everywhere. But like from where she was at, it was also the love and the peace of God. That was everywhere as well. And it was one of these experiences that really helped me know what God is.
You know, like before that I had an idea and I, I, I could listen to guidance. I was doing things that I thought God and nature was guiding me to do, but this was like a. [00:21:00] Palpable experience in my body where so much love and peace was just radiating through every one of my cells, and I felt like I was in heaven with her.
Speaker: Wow.
Speaker 2: Um, that experience lasted about three days, uh, after which I got plummeted back to my human body and, you know, began my grieving process with that. Um, but yeah, I feel like it was an experience that transformed me, my work, and also my lineage in so many ways. Um, it broke curses in my family, in unspeakable, unspeakable ways.
Um, which, you know, I’m happy to talk more about. But, uh, I guess it’s important to say that a year later, um, I was having this fever experience, um, on an Equinox and her soul comes flying and I, you know, for a few months I had a hard time like interacting with her soul. I felt kind of betrayed, you know, like I felt she was like, she had tricked me or like lied to me or like [00:22:00] abandoned me or like something.
Mm-hmm. But eventually, you know, she helped me get over that and, um, I was able to just feel the purity and the joy in her spirit again. Um, and she came in and she was like, mama, I’m coming back. I’m coming back. And, uh, three days later I met her dad, who, you know, is kind of my soulmate, my destined, uh, life mate.
Speaker: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2: And, you know, we fell in love in the most extraordinary way and, you know, conceived a little girl, um, who is my Cara she came back to me and I know it’s her because she did the whole thing again. We did healing the womb, and this time there was 450 women in the container. There were healing miracles that happened.
You know, 70% of the women had experiences with her soul. I mean, it was just, you know, extraordinary. So, um, it was pretty profound, um, that these souls have. their are special plans and I guess one more detail that I feel there’s a lot, so I dunno. Oh,
Speaker: totally. Yeah, [00:23:00] yeah.
Speaker 2: Um, but there’s one more detail that I wanted to share.
I think it, um, helps in the context of today’s conversation and that’s, you know, after her body, um, after she passed, I was not allowed access to her body. Her body was passed from the hospital to, um, the coroner’s office where they had to do like an autopsy and, um, they weren’t gonna give the body back to me.
Um, which I felt like was really weird at the time. Um, you know, it was COVID times and so they tried to tell me that she passed due to that, uh, which then, you know. Yeah. And then I got really mad about it. And so then they called me back and they were like, oh, sorry, like we got the wrong paper. Like your baby actually didn’t die ’cause of that.
And I was like, what? But long story short, we had to go to the office, uh, in the town because in the, in the place we were living in New Mexico, it was like all native reservations. Mm-hmm. And so they [00:24:00] actually made it possible for us to get her body back if we were anywhere else that we might not, not have been able to.
So the native people on those lands, they have rights to their deceased so they can perform their burials in the ways of their original ways. And so we got a letter from, you know, the reservation town and we were able to get her body back about a week later. Um, and at that point came, maybe one of the most wild and, um, noteworthy parts of this whole initiation into motherhood, into womanhood, is that I was asked to Cara said that I, my hands needed to be the last hands that touched her body.
Mm. Right? Because life and death is sacred. And there are ways that we tend to these bodies and what they represented and what they accomplished, no matter the age of the beings. And so we had this beautiful burial ceremony on our land underneath the tree, [00:25:00] or I think we planted a tree over the grave, um, in our, in our front yard.
And, um, yeah, you know, I went through the process of rapping her body with these sacred Native American cloths and blankets and, you know, lowered her body into the grave myself, and sang songs and blessed her body and her spirit. And I remember as we were standing around the grave, like everybody was crying, I was like, sobbing uncontrollably.
And like, her soul was like flying around in a circle. She’s like, why are you guys looking down? Like, I’m up here. What are, you know, she’s just, they’re just being funny, you know, just, but we were all like crying and she’s like, what? Crying about,
Speaker: gosh. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: I think that’s why I love, I think your story, I mean, your story is so interesting for so many reasons, but you’re.
The way you’re able to talk about it and the process and the perspective that you give, that’s clearly so deeply spiritual and [00:26:00] seeing things beyond this typical three dimensional kind of perspective. And I think a lot of that has to do with the fact that you had this deep, um, you know, soul connection with her prior to her arrival.
Like that you had the, you trusted your own intuition and your own guidance and your own, um, you trusted what you were hearing from her as her, like I’m just thinking that there may be other people listening to this that are like, well, I’m not that in tuned, or I don’t have that connection, or I don’t know how, and I know that you were deeply doing, doing a lot of deep work.
But what would you say to those moms that like might, or even people that haven’t, you know, women that haven’t become pregnant yet, how do you develop that, that connection and that conversation that you know, [00:27:00] because that really does lend itself to how the whole pregnancy and everything comes, if you can be that in touch with the baby’s spirit, right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. And you know, I think this ties back into how multi-fold the indoctrination and the control system really is. Because basically since the moment you are conceived, you know, your parents are getting this indoctrination and then you’re born and everything is just saying like. Don’t listen to yourself.
You can’t trust your body. You can’t, you don’t know anything. You should be afraid. You should defer knowing to the professionals, to the scientists, to people who know. And so from a very young age, we’re taught to disregard our internal compass and our intuition and our knowing. And this is a surgical process that is very intentional.
Speaker: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2: Right. Women especially, you know, in the old times, or like, I love the story about the elephants, right? In the, in the tribe of elephants is the oldest female [00:28:00] that’s the matriarch. And she intuitively guides the whole tribe because she knows where the water is, she knows the pathway, she knows where the food is.
This like maternal instinct and inner knowing and this connection to life. It’s an intelligence that literally flows through our spirit, through our heart, through our sensitivity, through our emotions, through our joy, through our womb, right? Mm-hmm. And this is like womanhood. And when we talk about like the erasure of the feminine, the erasure of women, it’s really completely, um, leading us to forget like what a woman even is.
Mm-hmm. You know, this idea that we’re like soft spoken and we’re feminine and we just defer responsibility to males, right? Like
Speaker: mm-hmm.
Speaker 2: All of this like subtle programming. How it ties into like the, the male, um, uh, the male quality of intellect. Mm-hmm. How we defer to mental knowing and information and, you know, the intellect of the medical system and all those things.
And so before you say, oh, I’m, I’m just not sensitive, consider [00:29:00] that you’ve been programmed for 20, 30, 40, 50 years to disregard your feeling. To the point where now you are taking that on as who you are, when really you, you’ve just been severed from your own inner knowing and that it takes, you know, time to really come into si stillness inside of us and to honor our feelings.
Thinking about like the people pleaser program, right? Like how long women had to like, disregard our own feeling to appease the family, right? Mm-hmm. Um, it’s like a long-term generational curse basically on women to disregard. Our feeling and our sensitivity. And this is really, really big work that we have to do so that our future generations and our daughters can start to live, you know, in connection with their creativity and their intelligence.
Speaker: Exactly. So well put, so well put. Um, so, so the on, on the story to connect back to the story one more time, um, probably more than one more time, but, um, [00:30:00] so I’m just curious. I, I, I mean, think it’s like, um, you have this perspective, you’re going through this, I mean, you were with your boyfriend at the time.
There were clearly other community members that were living, I think, on the property, right? Um. I’m guessing in my mind that n nobody was really ready for a baby, much less a baby that passed. Right. So how did you manage everybody else’s stuff around
Speaker 2: that? You know, if this is one of those things where I was so like, supportive, so this doula that was at my house, um, that was, you know, like a postpartum doula.
She’s gonna cook for us. She’s trained in like hot oil deep massage and like, she’s trained in like a lot of these, you know, shamanic ways of birth. And so when we got home from the hospital, like everybody just like came together. Like they just put me down on a [00:31:00] bed and she just like got the hot oil and just started like immediately pushing the grief outta my body.
Speaker: Wow.
Speaker 2: Like it was almost like God already knew that this was gonna happen. There was just like a group of angels at the, at the land, like, you know, and Jeff,
Speaker: that’s a miracle. That is literally a miracle. ’cause yeah, that does not happen for most people are like shoved back into a space where, I guess I’m like also wondering like, okay, so then how did the conversation go with your parents?
Like, what was that? You know, like, I mean, there you had to have interacted with people who were just clearly uncomfortable with,
Speaker 2: you know. Yeah. Or
Speaker: no,
Speaker 2: it’s so wild. How, like, how, um. Just divinely orchestrated was like how obviously it was divinely orchestrated.
Speaker: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2: Um, so yeah, like, you know, and that’s actually, I’m just thinking back on that and how profound that was to like, receive that support and how, you know, when we were living in tribes, like the doulas and the midwives, that’s what they would do, you know?
Mm-hmm. I think like [00:32:00] they would have ceremonies, the whole tribe would come together and grieve together. Mm-hmm. You know, you would never be like alone. Like I, I heard the story from a, a native elder where when the family loses a baby, it’s actually the father’s role to go on a, a 40 day vision quest in the woods and to allow creation to speak to him and process the grief for the family.
And so the whole tribe would come together and there would be rituals and rights to process that grief, you know, with the mother and supporting her fully. Um, and. So something else that’s wild is that we got Cara a puppy. We wanted her to grow up with a puppy. And so we got this really big, fluffy white Pyrenees, I think.
And two weeks after Cara transitioned, the puppy got ran over by a car. Oh my gosh. And so it’s like the puppy was literally like with Cara and like escorted her [00:33:00] soul onto the planet. And then two weeks later, like the puppy also transitioned with her. So, um, with my parents, you know, my father actually had a dream the morning this was all happening.
Speaker: Wow.
Speaker 2: And in his stream, my mother’s mother. So my grandmother came and told him that she was taking the grandchild because there was a break in the ma uh, the maternal lineage line. Wow. And so when this, I’m just covered goosebumps, so. When this pregnancy first started, um, I wasn’t on like super good terms with my family because they just couldn’t understand like this life I was living, you know, as a first generation immigrant child, Chinese woman, like, you know, there
Speaker: destined to be a concert pianist and you know, they had you on a completely different track.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. Like, they’re always like, you have to be a doctor, you have to be a lawyer. You know, like you just, and I dropped out of high school actually, and I just could [00:34:00] not be in the indoctrination. It just was my path and I knew it from a really young age.
Speaker: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2: And so we weren’t on good terms at all.
We weren’t really talking. And when I heard news that I was pregnant, I told my mom and she actually tried to convince me to have an abortion. And I obviously, like from my perspective, I’m having these like wild spiritual experiences. Like I couldn’t fathom that hu like obviously I know where she was coming from, right?
Like that human mental like, oh, I don’t have money. I’m not ready to have a child like this. This is another way that the Matrix kind of manipulates us into these rituals that are not aligned, but that’s like a different conversation for another day. And so I didn’t know how to reconcile that with my mother, so I kind of just like decided to keep her at a distance because when you’re pregnant you’re kind of vulnerable and like you don’t really want people’s fears coming in.
And I already knew I wanted do a free birth and people are very opinionated about how women should give birth. And so I was very careful about who I was [00:35:00] telling about my plans and my experiences, you know, they’re sacred. Um, after Kara transitioned, um, it was like this spell broke in my family. My mother completely changed.
I think she felt just so awful that she tried to convince me to have an abortion and then like the baby, you know, didn’t make it. And I think basically my mother had this transformation where she decided that no matter what I wanted to do next time, that she was just, she would just be there for me.
That’s kind of what’s happened with my children, where now my mom is like in their lives and she’s so supportive. Like we go overseas for these like spiritual conferences that we offer, and my mother’s there with me and she’s with the kids and she’s supporting me in every way. And you know, it’s just amazing that my father was the one that got this dream and just like told us that like there was a big curse that was being broken in the family.
And of course, like God is a multitasker. Okay. So it’s never [00:36:00] like one reason when these big spiritual things happen, like so many things get accomplished. Um, and one of them, one of the gifts was this. And so I think one message that I wanna share with women that have gone through abortions.
Speaker: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2: Um, and also, no, maybe not specifically with abortions, but also with miscarriages.
Um, especially with miscarriages that happen, you know, naturally. Is that in a lot of native shamanic traditions, when, when, when a woman has a miscarriage, it isn’t necessarily a bad thing that actually the soul of the baby and the mother are, um, in a contract to purify the womb and to purify the blood.
And so what happens is that a massive clearing and purge happens through the miscarriage where the baby actually helps the mother clear ancestral, curses, um, and wounds so that, you know, it could be them, the same soul and the next incarnation. That there’s so much more prosperity and vitality and alignment for the whole lineage for that to [00:37:00] happen.
It’s one of these ancient, you know, shamanic tools that God’s design into the intelligence of our body. Um, yeah.
Speaker: That’s cool. I like that per, that it’s a shamanic tool. Um, the way you just said that, I, I still wanted you to talk about that, that the miscarriages, ’cause I know you have that. That’s such good medicine.
Speaker 2: That’s like an organic process, right, though. So it’s like about surrender. Like these are not like realms really that we need to dabble in. These are not realms that we need to like put our human will into that, like our body and our blood. And God has this intelligence of like, it’s more about us surrendering and, and tuning into God’s perfect intelligence versus trying to direct it in any way.
And so, you know, in the case of abortion, this is really, really devastating that, you know, and, you know, maybe we say, like, people say, well, does that mean that you’re pro-life? And I would say that I am pro consciousness. I am [00:38:00] pro human sovereignty. And so I am pro educating every human being on this planet, how sacred life is, how holy sex is, so that no abortion is ever needed.
No abort. We never, ever, ever come to a point where a child is conceived that is not wanted. Which is just like an absolute, you know, devastation I feel. And, you know, is it possible for us to get there as a planetary consciousness? I say, yes, this is a huge part of the work that we’re doing.
Speaker: Definitely. And you and you consciously have participated in DAO practices of contraception and then consciously decided when to not participate in that.
Yes. Can you share a little bit about, about that? Because that’s, you know, that’s one of the things that I think like really, you know, women get funneled into, this is a side, side conversation from, from the main topic here. But, you know, women get funneled into [00:39:00] contraceptives and you know, this idea that they have no control over their body, that they are a victim to their body’s just, you know, stuff.
Speaker 2: So, you know, I find it really interesting that a whole generation, like my generation really, um, I’m in my thirties now, but like a whole generation of women are being put on birth control from a young age. And I find it interesting that the fertility industry is just skyrocketing. You know, like it’s gonna be $50 billion this year.
And so it’s like, is there a correlation? I’m not saying there is, I’m just using my brain, you know? But, um, I think it’s something that we need to talk about. Um, is there a reason why before Big Pharma was created, before the Rockefellers completely rewrote the medical textbooks to pedal drugs? Um, that there was a, a whole generation of midwives and [00:40:00] herbalists that were killed for being witches.
Is that correlated? Right. Like, I, I don’t know. We just kind of think about it with our brain and feel into that. Um, but for me personally, it’s always been very intuitive. I have very strong ancestral wisdom and, um, something that I’ve just always known, known was that my body is, um, my ally, that my body listens to me.
And it’s interesting because these, these things are now substantiated by biblical teachings. And so, you know, the earth in Hebrew is Adama and the body is Adam. And so the body comes from the earth.
Speaker: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2: And in the Bible, the earth is actually referred to as a she. And sometimes as a mother. So even the Bible speaks that the earth is our mother.
And how does God create through the earth? God isn’t just creating through the earth, God is communicating to the earth. God is commanding the earth to create things and things then come into flourishing. Mm-hmm. [00:41:00] And so understanding that God put humans as these, in the Bible, they say like we’re meant to have dominion.
And somehow people twist that right And into like, we’re meant to be tyrants, but really we’re meant to be keepers, guardians, we’re meant to love and take care of this earth. We’re meant to be this kind of authority intermediary between heaven and the earth. And that’s our job. And so if our body is made of the earth, then our soul.
It can align to God’s will and command our body. Mm-hmm. Like if it’s not the time for our bodies to have a child, and this is a, a system that has been completely, you know, manipulated by the confusion spirits of the devil, Satan, negative alien, like whatever force you wanna call it. Right. Our cons, there’s so many different words that different groups of people use, but ultimately is like this anti love, anti-God force that is in the world right now.
And they’re basically creating a confusion signal that is, [00:42:00] um, keeping humanity from claiming our sovereignty and power and all of which God gave us to live this life with, right? Mm-hmm. And so that was just something that I always knew. So I would always do this breath work practice where I would do the microcosmic, um, orbit.
Mm-hmm. And then I would literally just like tell my womb that this is not the time. Like we’re not meant to be. Fertile with child, we’re not meant to conceive. And then if I ever do feel like there might be a chance of conception, I literally just like flush my womb with the sovereignty of my soul. And I just see my uterus like doing the menstruation process.
Hmm. Flushing the womb. And I have not gotten pregnant ever until this soul told me to stop doing that. And I was very reluctant to stop doing that. Um, but I did stop doing it and I was immediately pregnant. And so, you know, uh, again, I don’t [00:43:00] know for a fact, you know, like it could be chance, but it seems pretty extraordinary that she asked me to actually stop doing those practices.
Um, and then. Recently there was a Native American grandmother that came to visit us. Mm-hmm. And she’s a Native American midwife, and so she’s been participating in midwifery since she was like 14 years old in the native tribes. And so she came over to do a closing of the bone ceremony for us. She was asking questions and it turns out that, you know, the native people have so much wisdom about the, like how to birth, what position to be in, what kind of prayers and also herbs.
Speaker: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2: Um, God created herbs to be allies in medicine for us. And there’s so many herbs that work very powerfully for fertility in different ways. And, um, I think these, these original ways we are just needing to come, come back to. Right. Because our body is so much more intelligent than the medical system makes us [00:44:00] believe.
Um. Which makes me wanna tell the story about Kailyn.
Speaker: Yes, please, please. So, so, I, I let, let me just say one thing that like, so Cara came back.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker: So that’s the, that’s the other piece is that, Cara, just making sure people are tracking that, that Kara came back and was born in a different body with a different father.
Speaker 2: Correct.
Speaker: Did she? And she orchestrated this whole interesting process. So, and then after Kara, what, an, a year and a half to two years later, you had Kaylyn.
Speaker 2: Uhhuh. Yeah. So two years, two month, and two days apart.
Speaker: Wow.
Speaker 2: And what’s amazing is that Cara was born the year of the water tiger, which is like purity.
So the white tiger, which is of course a symbol of this lineage. Um, I come from. And then Kalin was born in the year of the emerald dragon, the green dragon. So those are the two symbols of the divine feminine and the divine masculine in my DAOs lineage. So that was [00:45:00] just like really interesting and epic.
Speaker: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2: Um, okay, so the story that I wanna tell about Kalin, um, that relates to medical freedom is that we had a 10 day meditation retreat here, um, in December. And my husband Shane decided to do a water fast for, you know, the silent portion, which is about five, six days. And so he started his fast and then I noticed that, um, Kaylyn started growing like this.
Little white fungi looking, it’s like what they call it thrush or something like that? Mm-hmm.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It’s kind, it’s
Speaker: like a yeast. It’s a yeast, yeah,
Speaker 2: an yeast infection, right? Mm-hmm. And so, yeah, I’m looking, I was like, oh my God. And he wasn’t eating anything. He couldn’t eat. His gums were all red. There was this white stuff growing.
And I was like, do I clean it? Like what do I do? And so like, I started Googling and they were like, this is thrush. You need antibiotics. You know, this stuff doesn’t clear on its own. It could take six to eight weeks to clear. And [00:46:00] then when I tuned into it though, I just kept feeling like there was something more to it.
And in the meditations I would ask God, you know, I’d be like, God, like what is going on with Caitlyn? As a mother, I’m like super worried about him. My parents would just take me to the hospital, you know? So I’m like, I don’t know what to do. And God would just say, trust the process. It’s fine. And then one day God said that, um, Caitlyn was fasting with his father.
Speaker: Wow.
Speaker 2: And so I was like, what? He’s one and a half years old, you know? And, um, God said, yeah, like he’s a really advanced soul. He is a very special being, and him and his father are bringing through these very profound things and he’s being initiated early. And obviously the only way for a baby to kind of fast, he had a milk fast, he was still breastfeeding, so he was only drinking the booby milk, which is, you know, sufficient.
And he wasn’t eating anything. And so God said, watch when Shane breaks his fast, Caitlin’s gonna bring, break his fast. And you’ll see like, that’ll be proof for you that you know [00:47:00] what I’m telling you is the truth. And so on the sixth day, you know, Shane was like, you know, I think I’m gonna stop my fast. I wanna just like be with our family and like enjoy meal times.
And that night he had his first meal and Kaylin’s Thrush was gone. He was eating his first meal with Shane.
Speaker: Oh my gosh. No way.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: Wow, that’s, yeah. And it’s really impor that, that’s the thing is like, as a mother only, you know, I mean, that’s like the core of this really is that mothers know what’s right for the baby.
Like, and, and it’s not to say fathers don’t, fathers do too, but mothers, especially when they’re really quite young, are, they just are more deeply connected. And nobody, not any doctor, not any system is gonna know more than, you know. And I think that that’s really, you know, the piece about, um, I mean it’s a really, a, it is so much is [00:48:00] a miracle of this.
But the part that you were describing about also how you, your property was on native lands
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: And how you were able to get. Kara’s body back. That’s insane like that. Like so many families that I hear of in the birth birthing circles that I’m in that have had something like this happen, like that whole piece of it is always like a nightmare.
And so there’s horrible things, like if you are not specific about what you want to happen with your baby, you know, if they’re going to, they’ll often, they’ll want to, you know, cremate the baby and they’ll just put it in with the other medical waste in the morning. You know? I mean, and it’s just to me devastating, you know?
So it’s a, it’s amazing that you were able to not only get the baby back, but to bury it on your land too. Like that’s [00:49:00] unheard of. That’s amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it definitely felt like we were. Just held by God in so many ways and everything was being orchestrated for a very deep purpose. And I feel like her story is meant to be shared.
’cause you know, another piece of this is that, oh, I mean, I, I get, I can get so, uh, angry about, you know, how it’s like if Jesus was alive on the planet, do you think that he would go around like killing Native Americans? Because I feel like in so many ways, the way that the native people actually live their life is like an embodiment of the teachings of like how to take care of our bodies, how to live and write relationship, how to honor God through taking care of the creation.
Mm-hmm. You know, like how many like Christian mega CEOs are like running businesses that are destroying the planet. You know, there’s like a lack of like embodied integrity in that space. And, um, with this, you know, um. [00:50:00] After Kara came back, there was a period of time where she had, um, I think she was, uh, she wasn’t pooping for like a long time, like six, seven days, which I think is normal for babies.
Mm-hmm. Um, but when I went into it, I saw that when, so like after the soul dies or the body is. Dead. There is a transition process where the spiritual energy is like still around the body. Mm-hmm. Which is why, you know, the ancient Hebrew people had burial rights that lasted many, many days and the native people did, and the ancient Chinese did.
And the tic, like every, every na original culture in the world had profound burial practices because they understood that this is how God created us and we need to honor that organic process of life and death. And so, you know, when I saw basically that when they took the body and they just did this autopsy where they like cut her from top to, from the top to the bottom of the belly.
[00:51:00] Right.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker 2: Um, that it disturbed that process. Right. And so, you know, I had to actually heal that with Kara in prayer, actually did this in a ceremony with Alexandra. Um, and like literally during the session, she pooped.
Speaker: So this was, this was when Kara incarnated the second time?
Speaker 2: Yes. And she must have been about, I don’t know, like eight months old or something like that.
Speaker: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, you know, my thinking is like, I’m not saying that there is no place for autopsies, you know, like, I think it’s not that there’s no place for the medical system, it’s not that there’s no place for medical intervention and things like that. You know, there is, you know, but the thing is, is that when you apply it blank, a statement, like, if anyone had done any sort of investigation into our family, they would know that like there’s nothing to do an autopsy about.
Like they, they already could do, maybe they could do an x-ray, they would see that she had a heart defect. Right. And so like, was it really even necessary [00:52:00] to disturb the body? And in how many cases are we disturbing the body of the disease? Mm-hmm. Without it being necessary.
Speaker: Exactly. And did they, that they said that it was like a legal, I’m assuming a legal requirement that by the state?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It’s just a natural Oh. What happens is like they send it to the coroner, and then from the coroner they send it directly to the funeral home.
Speaker: Right. Do you take pictures of Kara, number one?
Speaker 2: Took pictures, but you know, I don’t have as many pictures because, you know, in like that newborn stage, you’re still like, on the bed and like you’re still bleeding, you know?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Do you
Speaker: think you’ll ever share ’em with her as she gets older?
Speaker 2: Yeah. I, I think I’m just gonna, like, I think the way that I wanna approach this is I, I really want, um, her to be of an age where we can have like a conversation. Like I don’t wanna like fill her head with my, no.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Or my experience, you know?
Speaker: Yeah, [00:53:00] totally. Uh, absolutely. A hundred percent. Yeah. It’s, um, it, it that’ll, you’ll have to come back and share what happens with when you have that conversation. Oh my gosh, I love that. Um, yeah. I think those were like the main, let me, let me just take a look at my notes here. Um, I know we’re just over the hour here, but, um, let’s see.
Um, let’s see. Wait.
Okay, so, so this is, this is kind of the question, like, when we approach birth in our culture, it’s so hyper-focused around the impending living, breathing, baby. And there’s such the shunning of the death of a baby, people not knowing what to say or what to do or, or any of that. And death is used to manipulate us as far as like tests and um, and procedures and things like that in the medical system.
How, being that you have these codes that you’re holding of having had a baby and come through that death portal, what do you say to [00:54:00] women that are like entering into pregnancies and, and hearing these, you know, hearing these manipulative gaslit lighting kind of things within the medical systems that they’re.
Choosing to, to enter into like, how, how can they hold that better?
Speaker 2: Whew. This is such a big conversation, and I think a lot of why the healing the womb courses are so important because it’s about the organic process of maturation for human beings. Our system thrives on a bunch of people that never truly become adults.
And what does it mean to be an adult? You are now willing to be responsible. You’re willing to do hard things, you’re willing to take accountability. You’re willing to see things that are challenging and still, you know, embark on the journey. And so I feel like it’s speaking to this [00:55:00] innate drive in women to tend life.
That drive is being suppressed right now. Mm. On, on the planet, right? Mm-hmm. And so understanding that creating a baby is like the end of a long journey, because what comes before that is like learning about your body, detoxing, living a low toxicity life, understanding how many layers of poisons and manipulation we’re undergoing, understanding generational and emotional trauma that we’re holding our body.
Understanding that, you know, the current way that people give birth, lying down on a bed is like the worst position to be in. And that leads to more, you know, opportunity for things to go wrong. And so it’s like there’s so many things of preparation and wisdom and knowledge that goes into even the moment of conceiving that baby.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Right? And so if we were to take care of all of those things, then people would feel so much [00:56:00] more, um, empowered and, and ready to enter into that space. But in order to do all those things, we have to really be. Understanding that life is sacred. You know, we really have to live our life with the consciousness that creating a child is one of the, maybe the greatest honor that we could have on this earth.
You know, God is literally giving us this, um, experience of, of co-creating the dearest creation to God, a baby, a human child. And we have this antichrist consciousness in the world that is like belittling human value, that is saying, oh, humans are awful. We don’t want humans. We’re overpopulated. Children are not alive until they’re born.
Like all of these narratives are stripping us of our human holiness, our human dignity. And that’s a very antichrist force that’s normalized itself in our human civilization. And that is at the root of all these problems. And so, [00:57:00] like, if that is like in the. Rotten foundation of what we’re dealing with, right?
And then we’re trying to find solutions over here. Like, oh, like is the hospital right? Is this right? Should we do this? It’s like we’re just fighting like the wrong war, right? We have to go. Totally.
Speaker: And
Speaker 2: so
Speaker: I would just say like, and, and let that, let that little tidbit that Xi just shared be the, like that, I don’t know, I’m getting this like effervescence, that like penetrates you and inspires you to really do this work of what I would call self-governance and really learning how step into your responsibility and, and like you said, becoming an adult, doing that deeper, harder work.
And part of it is really with this medical indoctrination series that I’ve had, is to really just start seeing it. You have to start seeing it in order to see what you are dismantling. Like you can’t decide, like for me, a lot of this stems [00:58:00] around or a lot of the conversation I have it, I bring back to, because I went through a really nasty divorce, like I had 17 years of marriage to unravel.
So you have to kind of unwind, you have to see what’s not working and unravel it. So on that note, I really wanna share with you guys some of the work that Z is doing in the world to wrap up here. Um, and so first of all, do you wanna tell them about, um, I mean what I mean well what you were just basically sharing was the tools that are there are in Earth Star Academy.
So do you wanna talk a little bit about Earth Star Academy first?
Speaker 2: Um, I think I just wanna share about the womb healing, um, courses because everything else is going through a demolition right now.
Speaker: Okay, no problem. So I’m gonna put up the womb health.org so they can check that out. Is that cool?
Speaker 2: Uh, yeah, that’s good.
Speaker: Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, um, this course that we’re talking about that was brought through with Kara and I through her [00:59:00] two pregnancies, um, it’s now available, um, and you can actually get it as a, a bundle, um, if you go to womb health.org/womb wisdom dash bundle. Uh, but it is, I
Speaker: like that. Let me, let me write that in there.
Org dash, wo, what is it?
Speaker 2: Let me create a, let me create an affiliate link for you.
Speaker: Okay, cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that way. Okay.
Speaker: Well, we’ll say,
Speaker 2: yeah. Okay.
Speaker: And, and yeah. And, and tell ’em. I mean, I’ve participated in it. It’s amazing. But tell everybody about like it’s, it’s, you get several years in the bundle, right? Several different years.
Speaker 2: So you’re getting basically three layers, three years, three full courses. As Margaret knows, my courses are very extensive because I break down all the layers of societal and spiritual manipulation and wounding that we’ve endured over millennia in our women’s body.
And we go through and we clear and heal on all these levels. And I talk about, you know, emotional and sexual maturity and how these are the conversations that we’re not having enough of in our society today because people don’t have the words for [01:00:00] them. And that’s kind of one of the gifts that I have is, you know, when I start talking about these things you’ll be like, oh my God, I’ve been feeling this.
Like, I’ve been feeling like that’s off. But then you know, you just are hearing somebody say it. So it kind of validates our human experience. And I think that’s a lot of what it is. It comes with like. 50 different healing ceremonies for all of these different layers. And more than anything, it really brings us home to the original intelligence of our female body, which is all of what my ancestors were really, really into.
So,
Speaker: oh, they are so amazing. I’m so excited. Yeah. You guys, uh, really this is the work, like it is you, I, I’ve said this, I’ve been one of the people that’s done like a little testimonial for z and I mean, you really will be completely changed. So, um, it, and the nice thing is that you can get this without, you know, it being beholden to a certain date.
You have access like to the teachings. And it is something that I go back to, I’ll go back to [01:01:00] like certain ceremonies or certain lectures that she’s done. Um, I don’t know if I should call ’em lectures really, but like, talks the talks of the, you know, of the, of the container and they’re amazing. So anyway, um, is there anything else that we missed or that you feel like you wanna touch on before we say goodbye here today?
Z?
Speaker 2: Um, yeah, I don’t think so. I just feel so reinvigorated, you know, I feel so inspired by this conversation. Um, it feels like this is so needed in the world right now. And, um, actually just in my meditation this morning, I was brought back to the womb temple and the things that we’re building there. I think I’m gonna be working on some physical products.
Um, I think I wanna design my own cervical healing tool. Um, and also, you know, getting into really like the physical healing of our womb and, um, how it can happen in partnership. So I think that, you know, the lover, the boyfriend, the husband, the Divine Union
Speaker: [01:02:00] mm-hmm.
Speaker 2: That’s one of the greatest accelerators of our healing.
Yeah. And people do not know like what sex is anymore and what kind of gift it is. You know, the kind of things that people are doing these days is like, it’s kind of like driving a, a Ferrari and not knowing it. You know, you’re driving a Ferrari in a, in a parking garage, and he’s just not using the body correctly because there’s no consciousness around it.
So for people that, you know, don’t have a partner that can help them heal, I wanna design a cervical, um, trauma release tool. So that’s like what I’m working on right now. And, um, yeah, I think just really excited. I feel like Margaret, you’re calling me back onto the mission.
Speaker: Well, I, I, I like, I love this idea and if you have one, I would sell it on our, on yin care.
So I
Speaker 2: love that.
Speaker: You know, um, yeah, I, ’cause there’s one that I’ve used before, I can share that with you later. That’s been, you know, really helpful. Um, but yeah, there, there is so much power in [01:03:00] healing in partnership. And I, I love that you brought that up. It, it’s, the body is amazing people. It’s, it is a miracle.
It is a miracle to be in the body. And the more you explore the body, the more, the more like joy and the more peace and the more love that we bring to the planet. So.
Speaker 2: And I really don’t think the scientists and the researchers are going about the research of the body and that consciousness at all.
Speaker: No. So we gotta do it on our own guys.
That’s the thing.
Speaker 2: Good thing everybody has a body and it’s free, so you can literally do it yourself.
Speaker: I know,
definitely. Oh my gosh. Oh z, thank you so much for this today. I am so grateful and I really just wanna. Honor, honor Kara’s first incarnation today. So thank you Kara, thank you z, for [01:04:00] bringing all of that through. Um, and all of the womb teachings that have come from that on this. And, and I wanna wish you a happy American Mother’s Day.
I know you’re, you know, from Canada and the day is different, but we are coming up, this will launch right around Mother’s Day, so mm-hmm. Um, thank you so much for being here to celebrate that. I’m really grateful.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Margaret. I know that we’ve been trying to align this podcast up for a while, but it feels like this was divine timing and I’m just so honored to get to, uh, celebrate Mother’s Day with you.
So thank you so much.
Speaker: Yay. You’re welcome all everyone. Thanks. C.
