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Welcome back to season three of the Incare Podcast. I am your host, Margaret Jacobson, the Mother Rising, and I’m so happy you arrived. This is excellent. Season three is going to be amazing and we are kicking it off here with another conversations with Carly, whom if you’re aren’t yet familiar with her, is my daughter.
And she and I took some time to catch up on where she is at over her winter break and she has a lot to share. We share with you our love for breaking into a good nineties rock. Yeah, her beautiful expansion into softening into the feminine Her amazing fashion project from last semester titled Mother of Pearl.
Some deep wounds she had to really unlock and more so stick around for the full interview. Oh yeah. And a few cameos with our Bengal cat. Jocko. It’s gonna be awesome. But I wanna take just a quick minute here to share with you what you are going to find this season. This season. I will of course, have some stellar interviews with more inspirational women and men.
Excellent lineup if I do say so myself. And in addition, I’m going to be really diving in with some solo podcasts to walk you through the path to your own sovereign standing through a curated path of self-governance. The art of self-governance really is a system that walks you through how to step into radical self-responsibility, which is, in my opinion, really your true yin care as women.
And I’m gonna show you how self-governance is the foundation through which you move in order to continue your health creation journey. And why? Listen to me. I will go into this more in the first solo podcast episode coming up. But in short, I have lived this. I have fully embodied this life. I’ve had no health insurance to use as a fallback.
I’m married to a doctor, and the last thing that I want for him to have to do when he is caring for all of these other people is to have to take care of me. So I’ve carefully curated a life where I have had to fully and completely step into self-governance on a daily basis. And I’m also going to be sharing with you some really exciting new services that I will be offering, as well as several lines of new products.
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Whatever. All right. Welcome everyone. Welcome to the Yin Care podcast. I am your host, Margaret Jacobson, the Mother Rising, and I’m here today with another edition of Conversations with Carly. Yeah, yeah. I’m Carly. So if you have not checked out the other two interviews, I highly recommend you go back and check out those episodes.
We’ll definitely have them linked in the description, and it is 2026, so happy New Year. Happy Gregorian calendar, new year to everybody. And this is not a, we do, we’re, we’re functioning in the Chinese medicine community, so we normally. Primarily celebrate the Chinese New Year. So we’ll be doing some fun stuff for that as well.
But we are excited about 2026. As you may have already heard, it will be the year of the fire horse, so we’ll probably touch on a little bit of that too. Just probably weave that in a little bit. But yeah, welcome back to the Incare podcast. We took a little bit of a break and really excited to catch up with Carly and have her share with you all of the things that happened this last semester.
So welcome. Thanks. Yes. And we made our cacao. So yes, we, we have cheers. We have our cacao, our little mini cacao ceremony. Cheers.
Mm. Tasty. Tasty.
Yeah. Yeah. We’ve been on a a nineties music Yeah. Kick this holiday season. Just wandering around the house. It’s always cool to just drop a little. Yeah. Yeah. Whenever you’re doing anything in, in, in, you should try it. Yeah. In the vein. Feed after me. Yeah. Yeah. Come on. Just, you know, get into it right now.
Right here, right now. It’s gonna make you feel good. Don’t care about what anybody else around you thinks. No, just, yeah. Get on in there. If you think Creed, you will know that this is what we’re talking about. So anyway, we’ve been killing ourselves around the house. Good one. Yeah, for sure. So, okay, let’s talk about this last semester.
Okay. It was pretty awesome. Yeah. And ended with quite a bang. Yeah, getting horrib sick. But yeah, you had lots of shifts and changes ’cause you were sharing with us about how you had been. So, oh, and by the way, we’re, we’ll try and block out the sound of. Jocko our cat who has made appearances before on our interviews and we had her all set up here.
In fact, we have some bloopers of her stealing my chair. You stay till the end giving herself a bath. You’ll be getting some bloopers of her licking herself. It was pretty funny. Funny. Didn’t one of the chairs, um, but we may hear her ’cause she’s playing in an interesting box contraption that Carly created for her.
So, uh, we’ll see. We’ll see how much sound this makes in the background. Maybe she’ll join us again. Yeah. Anyway, so you were really functioning on a super regimented plan, like organizing your food, organizing your schedule. Yeah. And a lot of that really shifted and it was really an interesting process, especially when you reflected on it.
So walk us through what happened. Yeah. So I trying to remember exactly what we talked about last, but I’ll just give the rundown of mm-hmm. This last semester kind of, um, ’cause I think we met over the summer. Yeah, we did. We talked, yeah. Yeah. Um, the semester was felt for me, just like very, not regimented at all.
And I felt like I was just kind of trying to get through a lot of it. Mm-hmm. And so there was a lot of just me wanting to be in some kind of routine and not feeling like I was ever in that routine. And so it wasn’t. The most enjoyable semester for me. So you were struggling with Yeah. Trying to keep a regimented routine.
Like I know you started teaching yoga this last semester too. Yeah. So you sort of told your boss that you wanted to do the sunrise yoga classes thinking, well, he wanted me to do it, and so I was like, sure I can, yeah, I can do that. And I just never felt like I was ready to wake up on those days. I was never, like, I, I kind of thought in the beginning like, oh, this will get me on track right.
And I’ll have to be up. But then it just kind of made it so that some nights I was staying up super late and some nights I was going to bed super early. So it was just kind of all over the place the whole semester. Right, right. And, and having like, at least getting your sleep in Yeah. It wasn’t, is really important.
I know. And it was just like, not. Ever happening. And I wanted it to be like, I’ll go to bed early and then wake up, you know, later. But I never felt like that was a good, it just never fit with what I needed, you know? Mm-hmm. Like I, if I had just kind of said in the beginning, I’ll teach evening classes.
Mm-hmm. I mean, who knows? But it seems like I might have had a more enjoyable time just being able to sleep a little bit later and go to bed later. You know? I don’t know. Who knows? Right. But, um, yeah, well, best laid plans, you know? Yeah. I mean, you could, it’s always hindsight is 2020. Yeah. But, so what kind of learning did you get out of it?
What are you feeling like the learning was from that? Yeah. I had like, well, I kind of wanted to start. With sharing the end of the semester. Yeah, let’s do that. A really, like, I did this design that was called Mother of Pearl. It was the culmination of, of that class. So tell me about the class. Yeah. I had a class that was fiber arts.
It was a fiber arts class, and we had to do these designs that were done from reused pieces, and then we had to change them and make them new, a whole new outfit. And so I did a lot for that project and there were a lot of different things that I did for it. And I didn’t really notice anything that I, I didn’t have that sort of hindsight until that project was over.
Mm-hmm. And then I started to see some, I just started to see some of the things that were going on as far as, oh. I was able to do this whole big piece that I was super proud of, even not having the schedule that I really wanted to have, you know, and was really tied to having, and I think it was probably not last time, but the first time that we talked, I just talked a lot about having my routines right and like meal prepping and all of these things that were working really well for me.
Mm-hmm. And so not having that anymore, I just felt like I’m not good enough, I’m not doing enough, you know, and when it just wasn’t what I was supposed to be doing. Right. You know? And so I basically, through making this outfit, was able to reflect like on, oh, I was able to do this really cool outfit. And the cool thing about it, which I talked to you a little bit about before, was the outfit itself.
Mother of Pearl was, I, it was based sort of off of the red tint. And we, we can show clips of that in this video. Yeah. And or, uh, attached to the link in the description, et cetera. ’cause it is amazing. Like it’s phenomenal. Mm-hmm. And you would call that an upcycled outfit, right? Or no? Is there reason why it’s not up cycled?
Yes. You could call it that. I, I felt like it was technically, it was upcycled. It was made from things that I found at the thrift store, but there were parts of it that I felt like, you know, I just patterned myself and made myself so Exactly. I was basically, for parts of it, I used it as like fabric just for a project.
Mm-hmm. And then other parts of it, I just changed a few things, you know, so it wasn’t totally. Why, why don’t, why don’t you tell about what it, what the project was? Yeah. Yeah. Because it’s pretty phenomenal. Yeah. I think people will really, no, it was, I mean, super yin care, like hearing about it. Yeah, exactly.
Um, and it taught me yin care in the process. Mm-hmm. I had my whole, she’s meowing goodness in the back. Oh goodness. I know. But I, the basis of the project, the whole, like what we were supposed to do was. Make an outfit that represented to us what interconnection was. Mm-hmm. And we could choose anything as far as what that meant to us.
And so we each, there were only four people in the class and we each did super different ideas of what that meant to us. And mine was, I began with this idea of, I really wanna make this like the star walker outfit. Like super feminine, but also strong and powerful. I could wear this if I was walking in the stars, you know, and just kind of moving from planet to planet was my idea.
And, and the interconnection piece was like that. We’re all connected to the stars. Mm-hmm. And that we are connected through our human bodies. Mm-hmm. And so I had been exploring a lot of the human body in my yoga teacher training over the summer. That’s right. And integrating that and then teaching people about it.
So it was something that I really wanted to incorporate. And then. Um, another thing was fiber arts is all about just changing the fibers or changing something about the textile or basically anything related to clothes that’s just for fun that you don’t have to do. Mm-hmm. It’s not construction based at all.
It’s all the other stuff. And so we learned how to quilt. Would you say it’s like accessorizing it or No? Maybe. I mean, in, in some instances, yes, there are. Like you could just add an applique and that might be an accessory, right? Mm-hmm. Or you could do different dyes and Yeah. That it could be an accessory, but it also could be just a part of the piece.
Right. So I am super interested in natural dyes and I’ve done some work with natural dyes on my own. But finally I was in a class where. The dying part was actually part of the teaching and the class. So I chose to do natural dyes with it. And I wanted it to be this terracotta color because I was like, that to me symbolizes like this earth color and the earth element.
And then I wanted to add different, like blue and purple cosmic colors. Mm-hmm. Just in parts of it as crystals and make that the connection to the stars. And those would be scattered along the human part. But when I went to do my dyes with the natural dyes, you really never know how they’re gonna turn out.
Right. Like, you can choose certain things and just see what happens. Right, right, right. And so. I ended up with a much more red color. Mm-hmm. And it’s this super bright brick red. Mm-hmm. And maybe even more like a lipstick red than that. But the color to me reminded me of a menstrual cycle. Mm-hmm. And bleeding.
And so I was like, I, it totally changed my idea from there, I mean mm-hmm. In some ways, but in other ways it stayed completely the same. It just brought more importance to me. Makes sense. And so I did, I decided that my interconnection piece, I wanted to be specifically based around women and daughters.
And mothers and sisters and our connection together. And not only that, but our connection to the moon and the stars. And so I was able to get that sort of star walker feeling. Let’s see if she stays here. I got the star walker feeling with the connection to our monthly bleed. And so to me it made even more sense.
Of course, our connection to the stars lies in our connection to the moon, right? Mm-hmm. And so, and the tide. And that was another important piece that if you take a look at the project, it was, I did a lot of shells in it that connected it to the ocean and the tide, and that was the change in the process.
But it was very full circle because it ended up doing all of these different, the whole back is beaded and it’s a very feminine piece like I had started with, but it. Wasn’t the exact idea that I had begun with. It just sort of was like, oh, in order for you to do what you want to do and the expression of it, you need to change the concept a little bit.
Exactly. Because I wanted it to look super feminine from the beginning. Right. But it made more sense to just base it around the feminine and the yin side of it. Yeah. And finally, like, you know, the whole forcing of the semester was very telling of learning. You know, that I was just not wanting to feel so masculine anymore.
Right. In my ways of forcing and trying to control my schedule. Mm-hmm. And by having this off schedule, which is what it felt like, because it was just so conflicted by how it felt, I was able to create this piece. Would you say that it was like a process of surrendering in some way? Oh, totally. Yeah. Well, I think I, I felt like.
Was completely like that. And I, it took me the whole semester to figure that out. Right, of course. But I also, one thing that I told you about the outfit that I think is like, important to share with also, that I had, I feel like my whole time doing fashion. Mm-hmm. Oh my goodness. I’ve been trying to connect masculine and feminine in mm-hmm.
Different ways. And because I, I sometimes feel conflicted. I have felt conflicted in where I really like these very powerful silhouettes and these runway looks at are tall models and they have these like crazy big silhouettes, uhhuh. And I just, I have always thought it’s so cool and I would love to be at a fashion show and watch them walk down and they’re towering over you and it’s kind of scary, you know?
I, I think that’s really cool. But I also would never make pieces like that because. It’s not, it doesn’t totally resonate with me. There are just parts of it that I like to pull from. And so with this piece, and then I also have this other side of me that is like super feminine and soft, but not having, some of both is, it doesn’t make for, you know, either the pieces super feminine right?
Or it’s super masculine. It felt like some of the, a lot of the pieces that I’ve done have been one way or the other, Uhhuh. And so with this one, I feel like it finally was like both of those in one outfit, like the silhouette was very powerful in some ways. Mm-hmm. And it was just using these pieces. Of the silhouette that I really like on these popular runway models.
Right, right. That I really appreciate. But I did because it had, like, it has shoulders, shoulder, yeah. Like padded shoulders or something. They’re not padded, they’re just structured. Structured shoulders. Yeah. But, um, yeah, and it’s like a red, it’s a red top right. With a explain it a little bit. It’s a top, it’s long sleeve and it has these structured shoulders, but then it, the hem line comes up over mm-hmm.
The bust and then down under the arms, and then back up in the back. Mm-hmm. And so you can see I have the dress underneath it. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And it’s all bright red. The top is wool and the dress is silk. Mm-hmm. And in the back of the dress, the dress comes down and the back so has this low back and it’s all beaded with a bunch of different beads.
And I have a lot of mother of pearl that I’ve incorporated into it. Mm-hmm. And the cool thing about that name is that. It’s not just the name of the Shell, but I It’s your middle name. My middle name is Pearl. Yeah. And so she’s the mother of Pearl. So I’m the mother of Pearl. This is the mother of Pearl episode.
Yes. That’s what we’ll call this one. Yeah. Subtitle. Um, yeah. I, I had, yeah. So it was structured, but it also also very like flowing and elegant. Mm-hmm. And so I was using these aspects that to me feel very powerful and I like to see on other people. Mm-hmm. And I, I feel like whenever I see someone who’s wearing these strong structured pieces, I’m always like, whoa, they, that’s so cool.
I think that just makes me feel like, whoa, that’s a very powerful person. Right. You know? And I think that’s something that I appreciate in a lot of people, especially when you’re doing, you are wearing something that, that people normally wouldn’t wear. ’cause it’s like you’re very confident in that. Right.
But also that. I can take those parts of the outfits and give them to women. Right. And to people who don’t feel so powerful. Mm-hmm. You know, and I can take these pieces that, that look scary and I can bring them to somebody who needs that. Right. That, and I, I also will always see lots of these runway models doing it in like black colors.
Right. Which I don’t really use a lot of black. Right. Just because to me that’s a little too dark and scary and it would be too much. But I’ve done it in this bright red color that it feels so much more grounded. It’s not just like this dark figure. Right. Exactly. You know, it’s taking something that is super powerful and it’s giving to someone who needs that power, you know?
Exactly. And so, to me, that’s super yin care. Let’s care for the woman by giving her these. Masculine aspects, you know, to support her, to support the feminine, her nourishing vessel. Yeah. You know, basically Totally. Totally. Her softness and her receptivity and all of that. Yeah. Like to have some structure around that, right?
Yeah. Yeah. That’s, so that was the process of the piece, but it was also super reflective of what I was working through and without kind of, you know, I mean, my concept really changed a lot, and as the semester went, so I felt like I just, I’ve never had an experience where I’ve let. The garment change on its own.
Right. You know, I usually, and this was partially because we had a different professor teaching us. Mm-hmm. And she really, that was one thing she wanted to teach was let the garment change. Don’t be stuck. Past professors have said, you need to have a plan and they’ll mark you down if you don’t stick to your plan.
Right. And she was totally the opposite. Wow. That’s cool. So yeah, it was really great to have that sort of freedom to just, you know, and also be sort of rewarded for that process. Yeah. Of letting it change on its own. And that was cool. It taught me a lot. That’s really cool. I, I think first of all, just to give voice to the fact that all of these ideas of a schedule and a calendar and a timeline and everything, it is very masculine and Right.
And so for everybody, it. Always a very interesting process. How we arrive into our feminine flow, right. Of how we work with things. And oftentimes women will say that their menstrual cycle takes them into that. You know, they’ll, like, for example, Veronica Rickson, who you’ve worked with. Yeah. And by the way, shout out to Veronica and her awesome fam class, the fertility awareness method.
Mm-hmm. Which Carly has worked with her in, and we sell her menstrual calendar journal. So check that out. Oftentimes women will use their menstrual cycle to go, okay. Kind of work with the days of the month that are more active versus the ones where they’re gonna need more rest and kind of organizing their schedule around that.
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It was interesting because that kind of leads us into another aspect of what you’ve shared with me that you gained from this, which was at the end of the semester. I don’t wanna, I don’t wanna shortcut what we’re talking about around the the outfit because there’s some pieces on the outfit that I wanna address that I think are really cool too.
That when you did end up getting it culminated in your, and ending up getting sick, right. You, you, you, you completely surrendered yourself into sleep and watching NCIS. Yeah, that’s right. Yes. Yes. That’s true for days.
Okay. Yes. Oh my gosh. Keep getting real. Yeah, exactly. That’s so funny. I love it. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I didn’t know she was such an NCIS sound, I guess I should have known because. She and her brother were super into bones when we were growing. It’s not even about that. It’s like it’s, it’s just comfort and it’s predictable.
It’s predictable, sort of. I like the characters. Yeah. I live alone. They’re kind of like, they live with me. Yeah. They’re your buds. They’re your buds. They’re your extended buddies. Oh my God. Like plants a little bit. Yeah. Anyway, so I, let’s talk about the, like on the dress, there were some really cool things that you put on the back.
Yeah. So can you tell everybody about what you did there? Yeah. I had, let’s see, the back, I had three big mother of pearl buttons that were, so I did a bunch of macrame on the back and I also dyed the yarn that I used for the macrame, which was cotton yarn. And everything was dyed with matter root. And so the yarn was also red.
And this was my vision from the beginning was I want, I really like it when. Everything is very cohesive, like the same color, but I just, I like the little differences, the little details that just end up showing up. Right. Especially if everything’s the same color, but you’re seeing different textures. So you got the wool and you had the silk.
Mm-hmm. And then the cotton yarn on the back. Mm-hmm. And that’s so earthy. That’s all like natural fiber. I love that. Right. Yeah. And then the, so the cotton yarn sort of made up the macrame, but then I did a, a ton of beading all over it. I had like crystals all along the back, just at the top. And then on the sides I also had more crystals.
In the center. There were these three big buttons, which I actually found by chance in. Yeah, I was trying to, I was like, I think I need to change my concept to this red tent concept. Honoring, I wanted, essentially, I feel like the best description of the outfit. Did, did you say that already about the red tent?
I don’t, I, no. So why don’t you describe that. Yeah. I think the best way to give you a description of the outfit, it says just a celebration of the woman. Mm-hmm. Because I, I said that one time. I was like, that’s, yeah, that’s what it is. And so, but the red tent is also that, you know, that whole, if you haven’t read it, you should read it.
It’s good book. It’s, I’ve read it several times. Book. It’s so good. And it’s all about the interconnection of women and their menstrual cycles through this tent that they would Biblical. Biblical, yeah. Women. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. They follow biblical, biblical women’s lives. Yes. Yeah. And it’s a retelling of a story that, or not a retelling it’s story.
That they, the Bible mentions some of these women and men that are in the book, and it’s based off of stories that weren’t told in the Bible mm-hmm. About these women. Mm-hmm. And so you get some more insight into what could have been happening. Exactly. And it is as historically accurate as possible. But the author’s really cool because she, I was kind of looking to her a bit and she, her, her audience, the audience that she loves to write to is women.
So, and actually they spun off and I’ve got here, actually I’ll grab it. It’s on our altar that happens to be over here. But yeah, there’s even, like, there was a DVD that came, I mean, way back, I’m dating myself, but like when the book came out, a whole bunch of red tents watching you. Red. See that Jocko? That is the red tent.
Okay. Um, red tent. We’ll just set that, that actually might work. We’ll just leave that right there. Perfect. Um, but a lot of women put together these communities around the red tent and it was like a safe space really for women to come together and just share their stories and in, and really have this space of sisterhood that was nonjudgmental, that was just holding them and loving each other for who we are and all of the many things that we hold as women.
And so. Yeah. Anyway, it’s a, it’s an excellent book. We both learned it. Yin care to the max. Yeah. Yin care to the max totally y care tent. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Such a, such a masculine Yeah. To our yin care. We’re supporting support, supporting feminine. But, but that, that’s what I was gonna say is that like, it’s interesting how, I mean, even your hair was, you were bald over the summer, right?
I was bald for a year. You were fully bald over the summer. Right. Was fully bald for an entire year. And, and so it’s so interesting that as all this is happening. Your hair’s growing back. It’s fun, you know? And I finally am just letting it Yeah. Do its thing. It looks so good. I always love Carly’s hair.
It’s so pretty. It’s fun. It’s such a pretty cool, although I’m spending way more time than I’m used to. Yeah. Trying to figure it out. Yes. Well, well to the club. I’m back to the club. I had a nice break.
Okay. Tell us about how you found the buttons. Yes. Sorry. Sorry. That’s, I think, and I think that’s okay, jock. I’m gonna blame Jocko. Yeah, I’m gonna blame Jocko. Okay. Yeah. So the buttons, I was working on this new concept of. The red tent, right? And then I was kind of unsure, oh, should I change my whole concept?
At this point, I’m already so far into this sort of idea, will it change like the overall silhouette of this piece that I’ve already planned out, right? Will I need more fabric? Oh no. Is this gonna be a big thing? And then the next day I show up to the sewing lab and I’m asking like about buttons. ’cause I’m, I needed button.
I can’t even remember. I needed buttons for something. And I was like, I didn’t get buttons right for this one thing. Are there any that I can borrow or use for this? Mm-hmm. And so the professor was like, yeah, we have a whole bin of buttons that you can look through. So I was looking through the buttons and I wasn’t really looking for anything specific.
I was just looking for ones that would work. And then I found, she was like, oh, here, check these out. And they were these, they were these big buttons. If you look at. The outfit. They’re the mother of Pearl buttons. Right. And so when I saw those, I was like, oh my gosh. Because the night before I was looking online for big flat beads that I could use, like coin beads that would go through so that they would lay flat on the back and so that I could use them on that open back part.
And I was like, I don’t have any of these. I should have gotten these before. ’cause I had all of these beads that I wanted to use in the project that were like crystals. ’cause I wanted those close to the body. But she pulled out these cool mother pearl buttons and I was like, oh my gosh, that’s like, I didn’t even know that I needed those and I need them.
And then I was like, mother of Pearl, that’s the name. That’s the name. And that’s the concept. That’s the hustle. It was pretty easy that that’s what I wanted. It was just like, but you put them on, you lined them up with chakras, right? I did. Yeah. So they’re, they are somewhat lined up and they can be moved Right.
Based on who’s wearing the dress, which is kind of cool. Um, and the, there’s some knowledge that went into it. I do have a mirror on the front that’s right in front of the heart. Mm-hmm. And that’s to symbolize the reflection of others, like seeing somebody else. Mm. Do something. It teaches us about ourselves and our own hearts and our love.
And when somebody else loves in a certain way, we learn about our own love. Right. And so that was something that I did when I put it on. I was like, okay, I just need to get, it was sort of at the end, it was last minute and I needed to just get this on, so I was sewing it on. And Yeah. It wasn’t until the end then I was like, oh, that’s so fitting to go there.
So a lot of these things, some of them were knowledge based and some of them were just based off of like intuitive. Right. Exactly. Power for sure. Yeah. And so I, I’m, I definitely have felt like in the past I’ve sort of constricted myself to like, you need to have a reason, right? For doing this. You need to have a reason for doing this.
And so I’m learning to just go with my own intuition. Yeah. Especially on things that look certain ways like projects, like fashion. I am learning to trust that I have really great intuition on those things. Yeah. That this whole project was like, wow, I didn’t even know what I was doing until I finished it.
That’s so cool. And then I was like, cool. I guess I have all of this super cool power. There’s Well, yeah. And if you didn’t gather, you got to this point in the conversation and you didn’t gather, she is studying fashion design and interior design, but you would know that if you’d go back and watch the other two episodes.
Okay. So, yeah. But I did, there was another cool piece about the outfit that I should mention. There’s please, on the wool, it’s basically just sleeves. And there’s a hood on the back too. And I really like the hood ’cause you can put it on and it’s like very protective. It looks like red and, and it reminds me of Red Riding Hood.
Mm-hmm. Like in the story, there’s a, there’s some great interpretations of what that story means too. Anyway. I haven’t heard that. I can’t totally remember all of them. We’ll look it up after this and link it. Yeah. But, but it is related to, I believe, a woman’s menstrual cycle, like the symbol. That’s cool.
Yeah. So it it’s pretty cool. It is so cool. I put it on it, it fits me barely, but you know, I mean, I wouldn’t, it fits her. It’s powerful though. It is very powerful and I just, it feels like such an, a deeply honoring overcoat thing. Mm-hmm. For a woman, I was like, can we reproduce these for They’d be so cool.
Cool, cool. And they has to stay tuned on that part. It has a piece right at in front of the thymus, which this one was well thought out in advance, that I wanted something right over the higher heart chakra. Mm-hmm. That just as like a physical reminder. That’s why I love clothes and fashion, is that they’re a physical reminder.
Yeah. Which is. As humans so much more effective mm-hmm. Than just like reminders that are said to you by somebody passing by. You know? Exactly. When you were wearing something that physically forces you, it just, you have to remember it. Exactly. It makes it more conscious. But anyway, so this piece that’s above the higher heart, there are two, there’s one of the big mother pearl buttons.
Mm-hmm. And then on the other side there’s a felted on crescent moon. Mm. And it’s in the natural white and so they kind of compliment each other and there’s a toggle that goes around the button. And so it’s like a crescent moon and a full moon. You could see it as like a moon and a sun. Mm-hmm. You know, just a balance right.
On both sides. But it’s draws attention to when he put it on. Right. And. To me, what I remember from the higher heart teachings, it’s the blueprint. Mm-hmm. Your purpose right. Is it lies in the thymus. Mm-hmm. And so there’s some practices in Starfire Wisdom, I learned a lot of this in that. Yeah. Book by Luma, but where you just put your hand over that I won’t do, it’s basically where my mic is.
But you just rest your hand there and feel where it feels good. Yeah. Where it rests. Yeah. And that’s where your thymus is. Mm-hmm. And I’ve also seen some other practices, I think from Montauk Chia, he draws the thymus as a lotus. Mm-hmm. And he has practices where you, the inner smile, you smile. Yeah. And it relaxes the thymus.
Mm-hmm. Which just like relaxes everything else. Yeah. And so I like to, when I do that, if you’re feeling stressed or just caught up in your head, just having this soft smile and letting that meltdown into your thymus. Mm-hmm. And then just being like, oh. It reminds you, oh, I have such purpose here. Mm-hmm.
Yeah. And just being is my purpose too. Mm-hmm. And you don’t even, you don’t even have to know what that is, just knowing that you have that, you know? Exactly. So that piece was another reminder too. That’s so cool to the woman, because I, we often forget when there’s so many people that we’re trying to care for, you know?
Right. Exactly. So, exactly. Okay. So I wanna also direct you to sharing how you were in a relationship and how you were this, this kind of coincide. ’cause that was at the end in the summertime, and then that ended in an interesting way that led you into a space of really not feeling like you have to be something that you’re not.
Mm-hmm. Like that. There was, there were parts of you, although I don’t think it. You recognized it at the time. I wasn’t, it wasn’t anything in my consciousness as your mom. But you’ve described this to me that like you recognized afterwards that you were hiding parts of who you were. Mm-hmm. So share with us a little bit about that too.
I learned honesty. All right. I felt like I was definitely, there were a lot of things, this relationship had gone on for about a year. Mm-hmm. And so, and it wasn’t like a super committed relationship that we had, but it was important. And you were definitely not seeing anyone else, but you weren’t Yeah.
Deciding together that you were in a committed relationship. Right. There were elements of it seeming committed, but it wasn’t Totally, yeah. Totally. Okay. And I think like. The, one of the biggest reason why I wasn’t committed were differences that I was not okay with. Mm-hmm. I knew I don’t want, I love this person, I love this person a lot, but I don’t want to marry him.
I knew that I don’t want to commit myself to him mm-hmm. Anymore than what we have right now. Right. And so I like, yeah. That, that, that’s sort of the basis of that. But anyway, so the whole relationship, there were a lot of moments where I was just learning about how to be honest with someone that you love.
Mm-hmm. Because I’d never, I mean, I’d never been in a relationship that long. Right. Even though it wasn’t your typical committed relationship. Right. Right. For sure. It was. In many ways committed. I mean, it was, yeah, I, and I think more so committed on my end too. Right. You know, that it wasn’t like, I don’t know, it was, there were a lot of things, different things going on, but there were many moments that I felt like I was learning to be honest about who I am and what I want.
Mm-hmm. And what I want from somebody else. Yeah. And so it felt like that was all of the things that we were supposed to teach each other, you know? Yeah. And then the reason why it ended was because I hadn’t been honest about my own beliefs. Mm-hmm. And who I am and what I believe. And the heart of it was that I believe in good and I believe in the infinite possibilities.
Mm-hmm. When I don’t feel like, I mean, there were more specifics than that, but. I felt like the biggest piece that we disconnected on was that I don’t assume that people are bad. Mm-hmm. And I believe that people are good. Mm-hmm. And that I, there were a lot of differences specifically in like political views too, right.
That I had never shared because I had experiences in the past where I had been totally shut out by my friends and family and mm-hmm. There was pain, there was a lot of pain there. And so when that sort of came up and bubbled to the surface, I was like, whoa, I really need to tell him. Mm-hmm. The truth about who I am.
Right. And, and what I believe. And before that, I just didn’t think it was important because Right. There wasn’t. A real relationship and there wasn’t like, there were so many things that were holding me back like in my mind. And so I finally was able to do that. And I also felt like not only was I able to be honest, but I was also like finally able to make a mistake that I had never been honest with him about.
Right. All of who I am. Mm-hmm. And I should have been honest from the beginning and I don’t feel like regretful of anything or Right. Like that. Just like, okay, I made a mistake, you know? Now I know I’m. Totally honest with people about that in the future, you know? But also, but I don’t, I wouldn’t, I just wanna put it out there to consider that it’s, we don’t need to even use the word mistake because it so was perfectly designed like you were so meant to stay.
Well, no, no. I think it’s important to say that though, that the mistake part because I don’t feel like bad about it. Mm-hmm. Because I was so open and honest. Right. And was like able to take action after realizing that. Got it. You know? Okay. Yeah. So it’s been healed and everything. Right. The reason why I’m saying that is because I feel like there were, there was just a lot of time before that where I was never making mistakes.
Oh, got it. And I felt like this ego of, I don’t. I’m honest and I don’t lie to people, you know? And also I had because of that. So you were humbled by the experience? Yeah. Yeah. And I also like felt like I had these high standards of other people too. Mm-hmm. Where I was like, my friends need to be this, this, this, and this.
Mm-hmm. Which is important to have some boundaries, but my standards were just not very understanding of real life. Right. And how it goes. And people have traumas that they have to work through and sometimes they don’t know about it. I didn’t know about it for this whole year of this relationship. I never knew, you know?
And so people can have that sort of experience. So being able to hold space for other people to have those experiences. And so it redesigned my own outlook of like friendships too and what I expect in other people and. I, I made new friends this semester too. That’s so cool. So there was like a whole period of like loneliness that I had, and especially when I moved out of this, the old house that I was living in with these friends.
And with that, I also felt like my friends need to have all of these things. Right. You know? Right, right. It’s funny because the person that I was with, like he, my standards didn’t include someone who accepts me as I am. Right, right, right. And so it, it ended not just because I wasn’t honest with him, but because we different didn’t agree.
Yeah. And I was okay with him being as he was, and he wasn’t okay with me being, you know, whos right. Exactly. But essentially, but yeah. That. So, yeah, what he wanted was really important to him. Right. And he wanted somebody who believed exactly the way he believed on things. Mm-hmm. And if you differed from that, that that was not gonna fly.
And you were okay with him, you already knew how he believed, but he, she kept it all in the private. She didn’t share, she didn’t share everything with him because again, of this sort of, you know, fear trauma that had happened when, let’s just give a voice to the fact that it was like a COD related political trauma.
Yeah. You know, with the divisiveness of communities that Well, yeah. It was being sort of canceled by friends and family. Even for me, no, for me, the trauma wasn’t about the friends or. The society or culture? It was about my dad. Okay. Got it. Yeah. Yeah. And so yeah, they, but it was related to the, it was related to stuff going on, right?
Yeah. During COVID. Totally. Right. Okay. But the heart of it was like that I didn’t feel like I was accepted as I am. Right. I was not, I did not have that unconditional love mm-hmm. That you would love your parents to have. Right. You know, that, that, yeah. That I wanted. Would you be willing to share what happened in case there are other people that like are out there that had something similar?
I believed that there were me, there were a lot of things that I believed, but we disagreed. And I didn’t, I guess the situation that happened mm-hmm. The, the trauma really lied in, was that I didn’t wanna get vaccinated mm-hmm. For COVID. And my dad and his parents, we were supposed to have Thanksgiving together and then they said, don’t show up unless you’re vaccinated.
And so, and how old were you? I must have been, well it was 2020. 2020 I think. Right. Or 2021. It’s 2021, or, yeah, I think it must have been 16. Yeah. Yeah, that’s right. Yeah. Um, and so to me it was like, oh, so. Your love is conditional. Mm-hmm. Because you don’t want me to come, because I chose not to be vaccinated.
Right. And you won’t stand up for me in this family. You’re, you won’t stand up for your daughter. Actually, I think you were 17, but anyway, go ahead. I was 16. Okay. Okay. And yeah. So the biggest part of that was just like, not feeling loved Yeah. By my own dad, you know? Yeah. And so, um, I think at one point they, there was a suggestion that you could come if you weren’t unvaccinated.
If you were unvaccinated, but you could eat outside. Right. Or get a test or, or, yeah. Something. And I, yeah. Yeah. It was upsetting. Yeah. It was upsetting. And I like, and that was the end really. I never saw my dad after that. Yeah. So, yeah. And I never, I, I didn’t go to Thanksgiving. That was where everything ended, you know?
Mm-hmm. And so it was a big. Deal. Yeah. But mostly just that not feeling loved by him. Mm-hmm. And ever since then, I’ve never had, well, the, I wanna just point out that it wasn’t just that, but also that other people were more important. Well, right. You know, so like his parents and other even not just that, but also that he had the opportunity to apologize for his mistake for all of these years.
Right. And never did. Right. You know, so that was also part of it. Yeah. That like, not wanting to address that trauma. Because if I do, then I see that he didn’t love me. And so in seeing that, I was like, oh, okay. That’s what I was afraid of. Yeah. So this came up. That’s what she’s just go back and that’s what came up referencing with the boyfriend.
Yeah. You know? Yeah, exactly. So, um, yeah. Yeah. But I felt like that whole situation was a sort of like, like I’ve gotten this message before from spirits of like, welcome to being human, Carly, welcome to like Uhhuh, when I’ve made mistakes before. It’s this reminder of like, you’re human. And it’s something that I’m just proud that mm-hmm.
When I make these mistakes, it just feels very hard. Yeah, of course. That, that I, and not to say that doesn’t feel hard for other people, but I’ve just gotten the message of Just laugh it off, dude. Yeah, yeah. Like, on, like, you know. Yeah. And so it really was like a welcome back to your. Humanity. Right. For me.
And so with that was able to just, I felt like I started to have different standards for my friends after that. Right. That there was like a reason I wasn’t there finding any friends. Mm-hmm. Was because I just felt like they needed to be something that was impossible. Just my standards of myself. Right.
And so I, when I had all of this happen, I just felt like, ugh, I just wanted to turn to people Yeah. Who were real and not totally, you know, pretending like I was. And so that was the only thing that was refreshing to be around. Yeah. So it wasn’t about somebody who did all of these different things or didn’t do these certain things, you know?
Or was. A certain way, the only real standard that I felt like I needed was somebody who was honest. Mm-hmm. And accepted me in my honesty. Yeah. You know, all of who I am, you know, whatever that was. And so I was finally able to make some really good friends. Yeah. That I felt like taught me more about being real too.
And so it was kind of a gradual process of just like, oh, like I really like this person. I wanna be friends with them. And then as I was friends with them, it was like they would be real with me. And so they were reflecting back these parts that I was like, oh, I can be real about that too. Right. And then finally, just sort of, the more you see it in other people, the more that you’re like, oh, I’m allowed to be myself without Yeah.
Having to, you know. Change or pretend that I’m somebody else. And so it really was a gradual process throughout the semester. And these like friendships too. Mm-hmm. And that was part of it, you know, but the end of it was this culmination of sickness. Oh, that’s right. Yeah. I like just slept and watched TV and it was something that I never would’ve let myself do right before because I was just too up on my high horse about, oh, I don’t want to have that much screen time.
Right. You know, or just this idea that I was better than that. And so finally was like, whatever, I’m just watching this show and I’m gonna watch this show for three days. And you know what? I like NCIS so
great. And it and well, so Daniel Carly’s. Your dad? Her dad. The dad. The dad that is present in her life. He drove through Denver and passed through Laramie and dropped off a bunch of herbs for her. Yeah. And said basically like, recover, get yourself well so you can drive home and then just come and recover here.
And so she did. And she’s been here for a long time, which has been just great. Yeah. And you’ve been like, just allowing yourself to just fall into a natural schedule, a natural, like not worrying about staying up late, but making sure you get your sleep. Yeah. Like no worries. Tell us a little bit about that.
Yeah. Yeah. I’ve been studying up late and I like it. And I’m not judging, you’re not judging yourself around. Not ’cause you were judging yourself around that before. I’m not judging myself. Like the sickness was an upgrade. Yeah. And so with that I was like, I just kind of was like, I give in. To whatever I wanna do.
Mm-hmm. Because I just feel so terrible. I’m just letting myself do whatever it is I want. And that just happened to be being glued to my screen, you know? Right. But it’s just was silly for me to have this like idea of like, you know, you can only spend so much time on your phone, blah, blah, blah. Because it wasn’t about that.
It was about like me in my head, hyper controlling everything. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And me thinking like I’m not good enough. Mm-hmm. That I need to be, that you need a structure that I need to support. That I need. Yeah. That you couldn’t create the structure yourself and that I can’t be trusted. Right. To know when I don’t want to be on my phone.
Right. You know? Right. That’s really what that is. Yeah. That was part of it too. So you’re developing a trusting relationship with yourself. Yeah. That say, showing that even if you go to bed late, you know that you can sleep in or you can organize yourself to Right. To manage that. And it’s nice to be on break, I’ll say that.
Well, of course. Yeah. But I mean, you have more flexibility there, right? Yeah. But, but what died? What died for you than if you had to say Just controlling everything. Okay. And I think, I just felt like when I came out of the sickness and I was up here mm-hmm. For a while I’ve been like, don’t need to do a million things.
To feel good enough, you know? Yeah. And in a different way. Over the summer, I felt like I, we talked over the summer where I was like, I’m learning to not do anything and be okay with that. Mm-hmm. And I don’t feel like I ever learned that of a summer. Right, right. Because I just was so in my head about like, I need to do enough yoga and I need to blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
All of these different things. And one of the things was like doing nothing even that I had controlled. You were practicing that though. How would you say you controlled, because you were talking about then I was like, I do remember that in our last interview where you were saying that you would go to the river and.
Not well. Right. But I didn’t feel like sometimes I wanted to do that. Right. Sometimes I didn’t like, it was good. It was really nice to be by the river. Right. But there were some parts that I was like just closing off of, not allowed to watch shows I see. Not allowed to be on the phone and not allowed to, you know, whatever it was.
Mm-hmm. Just silly things that I was controlling and that I actually wanted to do because I was on break, you know? Right. I hadn’t had time Right. To do all of those things. And so finally, like when I woke up out of the sickness mm-hmm. It was like, okay, what’s one thing I wanna do today? Mm-hmm. You know, and then it was like.
There were just like little things that I wanted to do. And you got your new sewing machines. Yeah. You’ve been totally going. Yeah, and I also like crazy with those. Yeah. The biggest thing was like that I didn’t make myself a list of things that I needed to do for the day, because so often I’ve made lists that are like endless.
Right. That are, it’s impossible to do everything right. Instead of doing that, it’s okay, tomorrow I’m gonna do one thing, I’m gonna get my sewing machine set up. Right? Right. Or I’m gonna go pick up the sewing machine. That was one thing that I did, and in doing that, it’s like, oh, that’s really fun. I can, oh, it’s fun.
I get to take my time and set up this new thing that I got that’s gonna be so much fun for me to use, you know? Yeah. And I do, I have this time to be able to just do one thing every day. And I never run out of things to do. No. You know, it’s not like I’m bored because I just wake up and I’m like, oh, I wanna research that today.
And Carly’s been working, she’s gonna be doing some social media stuff for us guys. So she’s been working for Incare doing some of that. Yeah. And so sometimes we’ve been having some good times doing, chatting about that stuff. Yeah, exactly. And in instead of like, I don’t think I’ve put more than three things on my list, that’s, and if I do put more than three things, then the four and five have a question mark by them.
Right. That’s good. And if they have a question mark by them, then that means that if I don’t do them, it’s no big deal. That’s awesome. Okay, so we should wrap up, but I wanted to just ask if you would be willing to share, ’cause there’s some of that stuff w. I don’t think it was just because you were working on the social media stuff for us, but it did stimulate a little bit some ideas of what you might be doing this next year.
Would you share with everybody? Are you ready? I’ll share. Okay, cool. I made an Instagram account. All right. Which it’s been like, I dunno how long, like maybe three, four years since I’ve been on social media. Can you believe this for real? I’ve been on YouTube, but I’ve never, she’s 21 years old and not been on Instagram guys, because I just felt like I, I don’t know.
There’ve been a number of things, but I finally feel like I’m ready to be back and social and just having fun uhhuh on social media. So what’s the, what is it? My Instagram account. Mm-hmm. Is Carly on Earth and I’m going to be starting a podcast of my own. Yes. Yay. Woo, yay. Yeah, it’s called Notes from Earth, and that is one of my 2026 resolutions.
Awesome. I’ve been sort of working on setting everything up so that I can start posting that when I go back to Laramie and yeah. So the first episode should be up soon. I don’t know. Cool. Sometime when I come back to Laramie. So that’s exciting and you’re gonna have all different kinds of things related just your whole life.
Yeah. I just want to be, you’re gonna share different things about what’s going on for you, insights and project. Yeah. Well, the biggest thing, you should listen to my podcasts. If you want a fun and delightful approach to your spirituality and your life, and I like to talk about fashion. Interior design and yoga.
And so if any of those topics interest you and you’re a spiritual person, then check it out. Check it out. But I also think anybody, even if you’re not interested specifically in those things, if you’re just looking for a more playful and lighthearted look on the world and not taking things so seriously, I love that.
Then that is the root of it. Cool. We’ll do some little features on Yin Care for ya. Thanks. And I’m excited. I’m super excited to see how that comes out. It’s gonna be amazing. Thank. We’re gonna draw star seed card. I got, Carly got me these cards. But interestingly, I had these, this deck of cards, the star seed, Oracle, they match me deck.
And they’re really fun. I really like them. And so I, I re-gifted her my deck ’cause she gifted me one from herself so we know would have them have one. So let’s do it for, let’s do it for 2026. Yeah. Okay. I think that’s good. Alright. What’s our message? What should the collective people watching Incare podcast know, let’s say going into 2026, let’s say.
Yeah. For the year of the fire horse, let’s say you, so we’re approaching. Okay. Okay. You’re the fire horse. You care what’s, yeah.
Yeah. Let’s see. Okay guys, I have to use, sorry. Are you using pen? I’m gonna actually, yeah. I always use, I like to use my pendulum. These so. Okay, let’s go.
Jocko’s watching. Oh, okay. So I’ll touch and see. Is it this one? It’s not this one. Is it this one? Okay. It looks like it’s this one. Guys. Okay. Dun, dun, dun dun. The great severing, the great severing Mars energy, anger, conflict, softening to love. This is a shadow card, one that may feel confrontational. Don’t be afraid.
It’s here to bring to the surface anything that’s standing in the way of letting love in. Mm-hmm. The warring planet of Mars is our constant reminder that it’s important to soften, forgive, and find our way back to love. There are many things in the human experience that make it difficult for our heart and soul to stay open to the never ending source of love.
We’re all wounded and our unconscious wounds inflict wounds on others. It can feel like a never ending dance. We can never escape if we aren’t careful. Before long, we’ll see the world as a scary, dangerous place where fear and anxiety roam. If this card surfaces, it could be for two reasons. Firstly, for you to acknowledge the difficult emotions, situations, conflicts, wounds, and fears that you are, that are causing you pain and anxiety.
And secondly, for you to find your way back to love. Mm-hmm. When we’re here, when we’re hurt, it’s normal to close off our heart to the world, to let the painful experience confirm the agony of separation and earthly life. Soften and find your way back to love. Anyway, when fear, anxiety and paranoia paralyze you, it’s normal to want to hide away from others in the world, come out of your cave and soften your heart.
Anyway, we’re all innocent children spinning our way around the world. Find a way to see the innocence in all people, especially yourself. And our star seeded soul inquiry mm-hmm. Is how are you cutting yourself off from love? How can you soften it toward those who have hurt you? Hmm. I think that’s really good.
I think that’s, it’s a surrendering, it is. It’s a surrender. It kind of goes with everything we are just talking about. Yeah. And we may find that in this year that there may be confrontational things that come up where we feel resistance. Mm-hmm. Always like to go back to the three Rs. Revenge, resistance, and resentment.
So when those things are surfacing in our body, then it’s time to do this inquiry. How can we, we come back and allow more love in How do we, how, you know, what is it that’s causing that? And how do we address that within ourselves? Mm-hmm. So, awesome. Thanks, Carly. Yeah. Cool. All right, everybody, there’s your bonus, the great severing.
Good job. I’m not really allowed to say good job ’cause I say it too often. So we had an agreement that if I said job good, that meant then that was better, that that was better. That if I reversed it, that then that was like the clue between us that was better. And I’m just noticing how this is migrated very far.
But anyway, it’s been quite an interview, hasn’t it change. Um, we’re looking forward to seeing all of you here in 2026 and the year of the fire horse. So stay tuned for more on the incare Podcast with Jocko and Carly and myself, Margaret, the mother Rising, and we will see you in the next episode. Bye.
Thank you all so much for listening. Having Carly share her story was as always such an honor. I’m so grateful I get to be her mother. She’s so inspirational to me. She’s doing the hard work on herself every day, and I’m grateful to not only be part of it, but to get to share it with you. So. Her Instagram account is new as she mentioned, but be sure to go over there and follow her at Carly on Earth as well as follow her on Substack at the same handle.
Amazing things to come. I am telling you 2026 is gonna be awesome. I’m on a mission to help you remember and reignite your own intuition through your womb wisdom so that you are ready, willing, and able to step fully and completely into your sovereign health creation journey. Shows launch every two weeks wherever you get your podcast.
Don’t forget to head on over to yin care.com and click on signing up for our womb empowerments, as well as check out our Womb Wisdom store upcoming courses and services that I offer. And of course, you can also find us on Instagram at Yin Care and on x. Facebook, YouTube, and TikTok at Yin Care. I’m your host, Margaret Jacobson, and this has been the Yin Care Podcast.
Until next time, honor yourself, celebrate your strength, and empower your transformation with your yin care.
