Ep 48: Conversations With Carly – Embracing Change

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That’s Y-I-N-C-A-R e.com. Restore, rejuvenate, and refresh with in care. Hello everyone and welcome to the Incare Podcast. I’ll be your host, Margaret Jacobson, the Mother Rising, and I am so excited to once again share with you my beautiful daughter, Carly Schultz. If you haven’t yet had the opportunity to meet Carly, please be sure to go back and listen to episode 36 where you’ll get to meet her for the very first time.

We titled this episode Embracing Change and so much has changed for her over the last six months, and we both feel it’s so critical to embrace our changes and welcome in the new aspects of who we are and what we are learning. As you listen, we would love to hear your comments or see any future questions you may have for us.

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I’m not editing that out. I’m just kidding, please. All right. Okay, let’s just welcome everybody back to conversations with Carly. I’m Margaret Jacobson, the Mother Rising. And this is the Yin Care podcast in our special Aspen Ferry Forest. Ferry Forest. This is my very special place where I usually come sit, but we put up a couple chairs here so we can enjoy our time together.

And we’re gonna have, Carly’s made some tea. She’s got a special tea set. Shout out to, uh, Jessie’s Tea House. Jessie’s Tea House. We can hashtag that in the uh, I’d love a discount.

Jesse. We need a discount over here. Um, we’re gonna start. We decided we wanted to draw some cards. Carly had this idea. And, um, we’ve got today you wanna show everybody the, uh, the deck, the star seed deck. The star seed deck. So those of you who are unfamiliar with. Star seeds. This is the, um. Three card deck.

Well, we’ll go into that another, on another episode. We’ve got an upcoming episode with, um, Z Earth star healer. And, um, we can, we can discuss the star seeds in that. But Carly got me this deck for Christmas and um, yeah, let’s go ahead and pick some cards. Okay. See what the day has to unfold. Okay.

Let’s see. And we do have our cat Jocko in the background. She’s, she’s somewhere annoying the Robins. Uh, yeah. We had a sad incident. We had the Robins, the Robin family, that decided to grace this beautiful property, had three little robin babies, and the day that they, they, within the first few days of them being fledglings out, wandering.

Um, our beautiful cat Jocko took one of them, and so that was really sad. So that little one is buried right here under this aspen tree, but the robin is very protective. I, we’ve sort of tested, I don’t think you can hear her, but she’s barking up a storm right now knowing that Jocko’s nearby. So. All right.

You wanna go ahead and pick? Yeah, sure. Cool. Find one here.

I got the great severing Mars energy, anger, conflict, softening to love. Ooh. I was like, the first part didn’t sound great, but like the softening to I was like, does not bode well. That’s a great, great start for today. I like the softening to love. You wanna read it? Yeah. Let’s see what it says. The nice thing about these is they’re kind of short.

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it’s designed.

Okay. This is a shadow card, one that may feel confrontational. Don’t be afraid. It’s here to bring to the surface. Anything that’s standing in the way of letting love in the warring planet of Mars is our constant reminder that it’s important to soften, forgive, and find our way back to love. There are many things in the human experience that make it difficult for our heart and soul to stay open to the never ending source of love.

We’re all wounded. And our unconscious wounds inflict wounds on others. It can feel like a never ending dance. We can never escape if we aren’t careful. Before long, we’ll see the world as a scary, dangerous place where fear and anxiety roam free. If this card surfaces, it could be for two reasons. Firstly, for you to acknowledge the difficult emotions, situations, conflicts, wounds, and fears that are causing you pain and anxiety.

And secondly, for you to find your way back to love. When we are hurt, it’s normal to close off our heart to the world, to let the pain experience confirm the agony of separation in light in earthly life. Soften and find your way back to love. Anyway, when fear, anxiety and paranoia paralyze you, it’s normal to want to hide away from others and the world come out of your cave and soften your heart.

Anyway, we’re all innocent children spinning our way around the world. Find a way to see the innocence in all people, especially yourself. And then it gives me a star seed, soul inquiry. Mm-hmm. How are you cutting yourself off from love? How can you soften toward those who have hurt you? Are you feeling, how does that resonate for you?

I’m just curious. I feel like it, it does resonate. Um, I feel like it’s a good reminder. I think that it’s like, um, let’s.

I am feeling soft this morning. You are. We had like a huge ordeal trying to set up these mics and I’m normally super calm and Carl and I was, I was losing my pool and I can freak out. And Carly is, can be, can be, but not always obviously because she so came through for me, I so needed someone to just ground me and Well that’s cool.

That worked. That, that is a good one. I think it’s, you did a great job softening to love this morning. Thank you. All right, let, let’s leave this out. I’ll leave that here. Okay. And then I’ll take a turn. Yeah. And I’ll, let’s see. Pour some tea. All right, let’s have a first. We’re doing a green. Okay. Green tea.

The, the snails or, or which one? Okay. Green snails. So, so shout out not to Jesse. I think these were our Ts. Yes. But the is not Jesse, the is from Jesse, which is cool. Tell him about it while I draw a card. Yeah. It’s pretty cool ’cause it, it’s, uh, it has a little filter inside of it so you can do loose leaf and then, um, it stacks onto each other and closes up into a mini thing, so I can take it wherever I go, but, and I just bring hot water in my thermos and it’s all good to go.

And we did it yesterday on our hike, which was, yeah, it’s fun to do on a hike. It’s fun to have fresh, totally hot tea. Okay, I got my card here. Star Family. You’re part of Team of Souls call and support. If you only knew how funny this was, is Di Carly because I am so into my star seat and my star seeded family.

Can I see it? Yeah, I’m gonna read it. What? Does it have a number or is it just under alphabetical? No, it’s alphabetical. So S Okay. Star family. Let’s see. Oh, there’s, there’s Star Brothers, there’s star ancestors, star family. You’re part of a team of souls. Call and support. At some stage, we were each a part of a soul cluster.

This is a great explanation by the way. A gathering of souls who broke away from one another to experience themselves individually. Those who are part of your soul cluster are part of your star family. Your star family are those souls who are cut from a similar cosmic cloth. You haven’t just experienced lifetimes together.

Your souls were once actually one. It’s very common for star family members to incarnate at similar times to work with anchoring a similar frequency of light and to cross paths with each other. You know that someone is part of your star family. When you feel like you know and remember them from the moment you meet.

Aw, you’re part of me. Star family for sure. They feel instantly familiar and comfortable. Time both passes quickly and stretches when you’re with them. You feel more yourself when with, sorry. More yourself with them than with anyone else. It can sometimes feel like looking in the mirror because in a way you are often, you’ll go out of your way to help those in your star family instinctively knowing it’s part of your path.

When a star family member dies, you feel it very deeply regardless of how long you knew them. A certain soul mourning or soul breaking occurs. Think about the people in your life who do feel, who, oh, who do you feel is part of your star family? If this card comes up in a spread, it’s likely that you’ve met someone who is part of your star family.

Or you are about to, and the star seed soul inquiry is, who do you think is from the same star family as you? How can you call upon them for support? And that is a great one because I’ve been really coming into, if you do read the Starfire wisdom teachings of Mont Diamond consciousness, there’s a part about the firebrand and the phoenix.

And I have had a bazillion pheasants cross the road or come on the property lately. And just, and also it’s, it is something about like just the frequency of voice and learning to activate my voice and singing and such. The robins are all related. And the Robins coming into, they’re singing right now.

Yeah, they’re screaming right now. They’re they’re screaming. Yeah. But um. Anyway, so the firebrand star seed family is definitely part of, of who I am. And you’ve been having activations with, with butterflies and winged ones Yeah, as well. And, um, and Luma, who we’ve interviewed and we both know and love because we’ve, um, accessed her Oracle Pegasus support.

Uh, she’s definitely part of it. So I don’t know. And, and honestly, anyone who’s watching this is probably drawn in some way into our star family. So welcome, welcome into our star family. For the moment you’re part here. We are. All right. Oh, you, you started drinking. Let me have a sip. How’s, how is it? It’s ready.

It’s a little over steeped, but it’s good. That’s okay. We’ll, we’ll power through or we can toss this one and do another one. That’s the beauty of it, right? Did you toss yours? No, I drink mine. Okay, cool. But you can, I don’t mind. Mm. I am. Good. Well, awesome. So we’re gonna get started here. So Carly was on the show in December during your winter break.

Yeah. And we were chatting about all of the things that kind of happened to you in your life, kind of post high school, leading into your studies in fashion design and interior design. And now you’re going into your senior year, you’ll probably have an extra Yeah. Year. A full year. Yeah. Yeah. An extra full year.

I’m gonna be a super senior. Yeah. Because you’re doing this double major. Yeah. And nobody’s ever done that before, so, and I’m doing four classes a semester. Yeah. So you’re, because as you may recall, she toned it down. Yeah. Instead of five. I’m doing four classes per semester. Because To maintain your sanity.

Yeah. Your yin care. It’s my yin care. Yeah. Four classes.

So tell us how that’s been since the last time we chatted. Yeah. Because you’re on break again. Yes. Yeah. Another break again. It’s been good. It’s been changing a lot. Mm-hmm. I feel like the last time we talked, we were just listening, re-listening to the last podcast and it was like a lot of. My routine and what I was doing, and it was super structured and I was just like hearing all of these different things that I was doing in my life that I don’t do anymore.

That’s so great. So I think that this time has been a lot of just transformation for me of moving from doing and then also going into break. And now I am barely working at all. I have a small. Job, but I don’t, I only work a few hours a week and I don’t have anything else that I need to do. Well, well you’re doing, she is doing a training to, for her next job.

But to backpedal on that, she has worked her booty off and we really don’t take vacations because her dad and I own the businesses that we run and we just sort of integrate our lives around that. And so we just haven’t done that. And so when she hit this break and she needed to release from the previous job working at this secondhand clothing store, I was like, I think you should at least take a break through 4th of July weekend because you haven’t had any downtime.

Right. And you just need that time to recuperate. Right, totally. No, I definitely am. Like, it’s weird. I felt like I needed to have this break, but it’s also, I almost snee.

It’s difficult to take a break after working so hard and being so on top of things. And if you go back and watch that podcast, it was like, you can tell that I was very much in a state of just doing all of the things. Yeah. And now I’m. The opposite of that. I, and I know I need a break, but I’m still getting used to it after a month or more of having Yeah.

But, but a couple things on that. Um, one is that, um, you know, yes, you were, you were focused and organized and all of that kinda stuff. And one thing we talked about when we went on a hike yesterday was that something that we think is really important for everybody to realize, whether you’re Carly’s age or my age, people oftentimes get really, um, hooked into who they are, like, and letting it define everything about them as opposed to really allowing for the organic flow of creative development in your journey.

The change in life. Yeah, the change, the evolution. Yeah. I definitely feel like that was something that I wanted to talk about today. ’cause I have had so much of that where I, there was a point where it was like, I am gonna keep doing all of these things. I’m gonna keep doing my meal prep and I’m gonna keep having the same routine.

I’m gonna keep waking up at the same time every day and going to bed at the same time every day and stay in this job. And do all of these things. And I kept doing it. And then there was, the end point of that period was, I am doing this because I have already committed to it, not because it’s what I need to be doing.

And when I realized that, that’s why I was doing it, I was like, oh, I need to stop doing this. I, this is not what is serving me right now anymore. Right. And so then there was this switch of like, okay, I am not on this routine anymore. In fact, I don’t really have much of a routine right now. And that kind of started going, I was noticing it at the end of this last semester, and it just started to just like, okay, it’s going downhill, it’s going downhill, it’s going downhill.

Like the, the routine is not. Working anymore, and I know that, and I can’t keep doing this, and I just need to finish the semester and get through it. Right. And then after that I was like, okay, now I’m just gonna like not try to do anything. Right. But the, but the, the beauty of it is that you started going to the yoga classes at school.

Right. And I did, I didn’t start to like incorporate other things that, like you’re saying, like tai chi and, and yoga, that. Were not related to my usual routine of do, do, do, but related to, oh, you need to actively, consciously, and intentionally relax. Right. But also, in addition to that, you were. You were working a lot of hours at the secondhand store.

Mm-hmm. And that became a challenge in not, not necessarily. I mean, you were pretty organized about it, but the environment just wasn’t suiting you. Right. But at the same time, like simultaneously, a yoga instructor position opened up at the school mm-hmm. At the university. Yeah. And so that really piqued your interest because you were enjoying the yoga classes.

I was like, I just, yeah, that sounds like a good idea. And then the, the teacher said basically, you should apply now. Right. Because they’re hiring now for next year. Yeah. And I was just gonna wait until I did like a certification. Right. The summer, but they hired me on. Um, so now I just get to shadow classes and learn.

And you’re, and you’re also taking the certification, right? That is something you are doing. Yeah. Yeah. And that one’s. That’s all online and self-paced, which is Right. Totally different from school. Right. And anyone who, who is out there and thinking, well, you know, it’s so much better to do it in person that obviously I hope, you know, crossed her mind and she was actively seeking that.

Yes. But yes, there weren’t any options that aligned with what I needed. So, and the schedule and the location and like you said, I’m shadowing classes in person. Right. Multiple different instructors and going to d different classes at different studios. Yeah. And I’m just kind of taking it all in. I’d love to do in person trainings in the future.

Yeah, we will. And we were talking about too Yeah. We’re, we retreat together, but we’re also in Wyoming and there aren’t a lot of in-person training. Right. NCE here. Exactly. And so I’m doing a certification through Yoga Renew, which is like a, um, international online. Program and you’ve been super enjoying it and I like it.

Yeah. Yeah. That’s cool. It’s cool. That’s awesome. And so, um, the other thing that like, um, that you also started that I think we had mostly average high, I think I, I think I sent out an email to the regular care population, but um, the fertility awareness method. Yeah. Um, offered by Veronica Rickson, who does the menstrual calendar journal that we sell on Yin Care.

Um, Carly is signed up to do that fertility awareness method class. So that’s just something else that. You’ll be cruising through a little bit this summer, I think, right? Yeah. Yeah. I haven’t gotten into it yet. Yeah. But so that’s what’s the HAPS for the summer, huh? Yeah. And we got to spend time together.

That was really important. Totally. So Carly came here just on the 3rd of July, Thursday. Yeah. Yeah. And it is now Monday, which is, yeah. Uh, let’s see, seventh, the 7th of July. Here we are recording on the 7th of July and we had a fabulous few days going hiking. We did a sauna in our little barrel sauna that’s over here in the backyard.

Yeah. We drew cards. We, um. Had had river time, we, yeah, we got to jump in the road. We had a great 4th of July. We like everything. We just hung out on the back porch and then went to the river when it, like, we saw the storm coming in off the mountains and we were like, lightning thunder. Oh my God, we better hurry if we wanna go jump in the river.

So we ran down to the river, jumped in, came back here, and then got in the hot tub. Did we go right? We didn’t go right away because it started pouring. I think we sat out on the deck first. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Then we went and then we sat in the hot tub and then her brother Maury came over at, you know, he got off work late, so Right at 1130 and the whole town lights up with fireworks.

Yeah. So you’re, it’s crazy. You know, we lit off some fireworks here, which was super fun. Of course. ’cause Maury’s super into it, so he makes it fun. I don’t think Carly and I were sort of like, uh, we could go either. Yeah. And it ended up being fun. And there were a couple funny moments. Yeah. A couple close calls.

Yeah. Yeah. The things that everybody out there that’s saying like, I can’t believe you light off fireworks. No risk, no reward. Yeah, it’s, yeah, exactly. But we’ve got a video. To prove the insanity of the moment. So that’s what counts. Maybe we can splice that into this. We’ll see.

Oh my God. Anyway. Yeah. So let’s talk about fashion. Let’s talk about all the changes that happened for you Okay. Um, since the last time we talked, because you were in a very, very conservative mode about your fashion. Yeah. What’s going on in that front these days? Well, I’m not there anymore. I, um, still am super interested in natural fibers just as much.

Um, but I. Like my Aru sweater that I’m wearing. Just, you know, wool in case you’re not familiar with the, I think I’m wearing wearing cotton today. Aru Woolen products. You can check them out on the affiliate store on yin care.com. They’re amazing. They have a whole new palette of colors carry on. Shameless plug for ero, because we love Zoey Daly, I am not really as interested in covering myself up.

I’m not really in a phase of needing. To have that. Mm-hmm. Anymore and I mean, it’s also summer and when we last talked it was the middle of winter. Right. That’s true. So, um, there’s that And your hair’s growing back too. Yeah. Yeah. I am, I’m kind of growing it. It’s still a little messy. No way. It looks awesome.

I did a lot of work on it with, you know, this morning. Did you? It’s looking very nice. It was hard, really? It was sticking up in all of the wrong places. I never would’ve known. I’m glad. It looks really great, but I’m growing it into like a pixie cut, so. Mm-hmm. Um, we’re not in the bald phase anymore and yeah, I’m kind of, I just don’t.

Feel like hiding my self anymore from anyone. Do you feel like that, I mean, it’s interesting, it’s coinciding with so many things like summertime, like you said. Mm-hmm. The fact that your hair’s growing back, I mean, there’s a lot of pieces of this that kind of lead into you feeling potentially less vulnerable.

Right? Right. Like your, your bald head is now covered the, you’re not protecting yourself from winter, you know what I mean? Like. I, I think that there’s like SI do love to have that option to just cover everything up. Mm-hmm. You know, when I want to. Um, and I think that it, it’s helpful it some times to just

block yourself off from everything and everyone Right. In that way. Mm-hmm. Of just like, not, not giving. Them, any of you. Right, right. But, um, I just don’t feel like I need that. Yeah. I don’t, um, I want to feel,

I think that there are some things that are super different in that I, there are times when I do. Not want to show every, like when we went to the parade. Right. I think that’s a good example of like, we went to the 4th of July parade and in past years, and, and you can see when you go to these sorts of things, people love to show off.

Oh yeah. They love to it a funs a scene. It’s a fun to watch Lander, Lander, Wyoming, uh, 4th of July parade. It’s insane. Let, let’s just, let’s explain that to people. So you’ll see people wearing some crazy stuff and a lot of people like to show off, a lot of skin on, but they’re also, there’s no drinking restrictions.

Yeah. There’s open containers and it starts in the morning and it goes all day, so Yeah. So there’s clothes that incorporate drinking, you know? Right. Exactly. But, uh, they, yeah. A lot of people just like to. To show everything off. It’s the summer they get to, they don’t always get that option. Totally. That’s so true.

I think that’s one thing that’s nice is like it’s, it ain’t California fun, but yeah, it’s fun. It’s super fun to be able to wear things that just weren’t an option, and sometimes it’s just fun to try things out. That’s what I’m noticing too. It’s like. Before I was like, I’m not gonna do that. I am conserving my energy for what I want to do, which is design.

And everything’s focused around design. And that’s one thing that’s changed, right. That’s big, is that not everything is about design. I feel like I was, when we did our first call, it was like, everything I do is for this, right? Um, taking care of myself is for this. Mm-hmm. And so I kind of lost a lot of that feeling of like, I need to take care of myself and I need to do all of these things.

When I went to summer break because I didn’t have design anymore, so I wasn’t doing all of these things for design. I didn’t have a reason to do everything. Ah, right. And so my reason, and you can hear me go back in the podcast and listen. Right. My reason was like, not only, I think I said something like, I, I need to take care of myself Right.

In order to fuel this. Right. And it was like my child and it is Right. Like, you know, still true. Yeah, for sure. Um, but also true that it, that not everything’s about design. And that design meaning like your school, your education. Yeah. Not necessarily just what design is in your life, right. But like the fact that you’re in school studying this and this is a pursuit of yours, right?

Yeah. I think, I think really it was though that I, I, my purpose mm-hmm. In everything that I did. Was design and not necessarily school, like designing your, like organizing, being creative. Right. And like, um, just it was centered around projects that happened to be for school. Right. But it wasn’t because of grades.

Right. And you know, it was because I wanted. To make beautiful things. Right. Right. And I think one of the things that I wanted to mention too is like, that belief is very much like, goes along with a lot of what society fuels us with, right? Is that like you have to have a purpose outside of yourself, right?

Outside of just existing, right? Of like, you need to be passionate about something, right? And you need to go all in and everything you do has to be about that, right? And so that’s how I felt, right? Um, and it doesn’t make it any less important when I say that not everything is about it, right? Um, but. It’s true.

It’s like I, no, actually, I want to spend time with family, and family is like just as important if not more important, you know? Yeah. And I want to have friends and spend time with friends, and I wanna go outside and I wanna do yoga. Right? And all of this stuff doesn’t make design. Less important. Right. Um, but it, it, it is, there’s a bigger picture.

Right. Totally. Totally. But one of the other things is that, that belief, I think I see it like when I was watching, there’s this, um. The new look. Did, did you watch that? I don’t think the Dior, Christian Dior. Oh yeah, yeah. You did, right? Yeah. On Apple. I watched that too. And he, like, he talks about like how it’s really fun to watch and I really was resonating with it because he’s like, everything he does is about his work and what he does and he made some really amazing stuff.

But you can tell that it’s like, I think a lot of designers or whatever you’re passionate about mm-hmm. People who are that passionate, they end up doing probably really well in the industry and um, if they didn’t have design or whatever they do mm-hmm. Um, if they had to take a break from it, you know, things would go terribly wrong for ’em.

Right, exactly. And they do show that like, yeah. Yeah. And, and, and so like. People who do amazing things often, like, like, you know, they can get into pretty dark places. Right. When they aren’t Right. And they, it’s, yeah. That’s so finding, finding a balance and creating a life and it’s, I mean it, so I think it just speaks to our society and the challenges that people have.

Just financial challenges. Mm-hmm. And being beholden to. A job and needing that to sustain in and, and they aren’t necessarily in charge of their work environment because they’re employed by somebody else. Yeah. And so what I love about what you’re doing is that you’re really bringing in what I would call the codes mm-hmm.

Into your, um, into your, you know, your whole frequency being as far as. Understanding that there is abundance and prosperity and that you’re able to relax into this moment in time and allow your body to relax. And you’re, you’re, I’m not saying you’re totally able to relax ’cause I know that you’re, and this is process, this is like a process of unwinding that is like that feeling of I should go do this.

And you were just saying like, when you’re inside for too long, you’re always feeling like you’ve got to do X, y, or Z. Yeah. But as soon as you get yourself outside in nature, I just sit there. It, it’s like, I don’t, I can just look, I can just consume with my eyes. And you feel relaxed and, and with purpose, right?

Yes. Yes. Yeah. And so I. It’s wonderful that you’re allowing yourself to just wave through this process and figure out what that means for you, you know? Yeah. And I don’t, yeah, I think one thing that is important to, I don’t, I know that making a career or a passion or an interest like your entire life for me, and I think for a lot of people is not the best way to do it, but I don’t really know what the best way to do it is.

So that’s what I’m kind of figuring out is that like, it’s also, you know, school is weird ’cause you have a concentrated amount of time where you do. This thing. Right. And then you have a time where you do none of it. Right? Exactly. And so if it were more balanced, like, oh, I’m gonna do three days of this and four days of this, or you know.

Right. Or even like part of the day this and part of the day this instead of all at once. Right. Um, I’m sure it would be different, but it is. Yeah. We not. Doing it at all. Yeah. I don’t know a lot of the time What’s But you, so when you started though this summer, like we, we had also talked last time about your just love of creativity.

Mm-hmm. And you did start making that lovely necklace that you are wearing and some other jewelry projects, right? Yeah. Yeah. I’m like working on some of that. I have a lot of hobbies. It’s hard to, it can be overwhelming to find, to choose one. Right. For sure. So, but you felt like inclined to pursue, I don’t know what you body jewelry?

Yeah. Or like not just necklaces and bracelets, but other body jewelry, right. Yeah. Yeah. I wanted to, I want to. Make like all sorts of different kinds of jewelry that wrap around the body, uhhuh, um, and crystals and different things. Yeah. Yeah. That’s awesome. Okay. Let’s talk about your diet, because we talked a lot about that before and that is, uh, you’ve had some big breakthroughs in learning about your food.

What I think I, I mean, I find inspiration. I always find inspirational, not just because it’s my daughter, but extra, extra cool. Right. My star fam, you know, that she is taking on a new way to approach, I’m learning your diet and cooking and everything. Yeah. And so the a Ayurvedic, um, teachings are. Uh, different obviously, but similar to Chinese medicine.

And I am no expert, but it does take into consideration like, um, your body type, obviously the seasons, and you’re looking at your location, your location, food, colors and texture, textures and taste. Yeah. Uh, yeah, I find all of this very interesting and I would love to explore it more. Yeah. I have like, I feel like I’m just beginning, but um, I’m just beginning in a lot of places too, but, but it’s, it’s added an extra dimensionality to your eating and to also your cooking.

Like you’ve come up with new recipes. It’s been inspirational in a lot. It has been a, a place of creativity in a lot of ways. ’cause it’s given you like a whole new palette of things to try and play with. I’m trying, yeah. I’m trying out new things for sure. I am not like, I don’t know.

What is good and what is not good yet, right? Um, but it’s a new realm of possibilities to explore. So it’s kind of fun to just try different foods out. I’m learning more about how my body acts, how it acts in the summer. Um, and it, I think the biggest thing being not necessarily a diet, although diet, I guess I’m kind of just beginning to get into, I don’t really understand all of it yet, but, um, lifestyle as far as before, I think when.

It was before, like last summer. Mm-hmm. I was at the end of the summer, I would go up, I would walk up this hill and see the sunrise every morning. Mm-hmm. So like five 30 in the morning when the sun would come up late summer, and then six, you know? Mm-hmm. But it was super transformative for me because it was like, I’m getting up to meet the sun every morning and I’m doing this.

And that was part of my motivation of like, that energy of waking up and seeing the sun was, it’s just like powerful to see the first of it and get that energy in. And it just motivated so much work that I did. That was awesome. Yeah. But now I, as much as I love the sun and love to take it in, I also notice that it, it can be way too much for me.

Like I, in this relaxing phase of like mm-hmm. Trying, not trying, but learning to rest. Um, it’s, the sun is not what I need. I love the, I love what you just said, learning to rest. Yeah. Like, I think everybody needs the learning to rest mode. You know? It’s not, um, it’s not easy and I, Carly knows, like I spent so much time when she was in her junior year and then senior year in high school and we had just moved here and I was so exhausted.

From having done this weird commute and everything, she would leave for school and I would automatically have to lay down on the cat. And plus I was going through a shift hormonally, and so I would just have to take a nap. And you’re like, it’s okay mom. You should just do that. Like, it’s okay. She just so graciously me permission.

It’s easier to say it, to say it to someone else that I, I know exactly, but I, so, I so need it. And she really, and not that like she even knew all of the things that were going on, and I knew that because she was younger and she didn’t know she was in her own life, in her own reality, you know? But hearing her, at least having someone say that to me, gave me permission to just be like, okay, it’s okay.

And it’s only for this short amount of time and I’m gonna get back up again and do my work or whatever. Totally. But yeah, learning to rest is powerful. Yeah. I love that. We should have that learning to rest course or something. Yeah. That’s really good. Yeah. Yeah, that would be cool. I’d take that.

How many of you would sign up for that comment below? Hashtag learning to rest? Yeah. Yeah. Um, let’s see. But yeah, one of those things that I guess I was telling the story about, like how I’d go to see the sun. Mm-hmm. And one of the things the, like relating back to Ayurveda was that it is a lifestyle thing.

It’s not just a diet thing. Right. And one of the things that I was starting to understand on all levels was like, it’s summer, I’m. Pitta Dosha. That’s my strongest Uhhuh is that I have a lot of fire, a lot of passion, right? And heat and I have fast metabolism and I’m very creative. Right? And it’s very much add on for the discretions.

Some similar, very spread out of right, the different percentages, which is why those. System works, right. Is that everyone’s different, you know? Right. But I am very much one of them. So getting up to go see the sun in the summer and eating spicy food doesn’t make sense. Right. Um, and, and before it, it did. I think I, it was just something that was helpful for me to really get me moving and just do a lot.

Right. It was very motivational. Right. But, and now it’s like, okay, I don’t need that. In fact, I need the opposite of that. Right. Right. So now I’ll get up and I’ll go down to the river and sit by the water. Yeah. And I still like the sun and I like to sit in the sun, but I’m more likely to probably choose a spot in the shade when it’s sunny out.

And, well, you also have fair skin too. Yeah. But, but even so, like. I have a lot of my life said I just love sitting in the sun. And now I’m like, I don’t. That’s one thing that’s also changed. Right. I don’t love that anymore. Right. I like the sun and I like sometimes to lay in the sun, but I also am learning to like the shade more.

Right, right. Well it can get really hot and dry too, which is very pleasant in the shade here. Yeah. It’s a different climate. But yeah, sitting by the river is also one thing that is like water calms fire. So just even looking and consuming with my eyes of like the water, it’s a very different experience from looking at the sun and starting your day with the sun.

Yeah. And I am going in water more this summer than. I was. Yeah. So I think that’s the biggest shift as far as Ayurveda is the Yeah. Learning to embrace fire feeds off of fire. So it makes sense that I liked the sun. It makes sense that I liked the sun ’cause I want more of that. Right. You know? Right. Um, and but, so it’s weird for me to like, want more of not that.

Right, right, right. So it’s a good exploration. Yeah. That’s cool. Yeah. And I just wanna add that like, you know, um, Carly and I are super close, obviously I think you’re gonna gather that, but, uh, a lot of that has been a lot of, we are in touch all the time on the phone. Like most mornings we’re on the phone together, reconnecting.

Mm-hmm. And, um, I just wanna share with other mothers and daughters like I. She’s very respectful. Like if I have something that I need to do and she’s called and she’s like, just tell me like I’m, you know, I, and she’ll obviously tell me if she really needs to talk, but, um, but I really honor the fact that she just turned 21, so congratulations.

Um, but that during this time it’s very formative. And so being available as her mom is crucial, like having these conversations, um. They may seem silly, and it may seem like if from an outsider’s perspective, even Daniel, you know, he’ll, I think sometimes he’ll wonder like, what the heck could they possibly be talking about again?

Like, yeah, why, how do you still have things to talk about? Talk every day, but there’s always something that like unfolds for us. Yeah. And it’s honestly like, there’s so much growth for me too, and Carly and I, I always joke like that I had to, I, I might have said this on the first podcast, but we didn’t get to it when we were listening.

But, um, you know, the joke that I have is that I had to birth my own best friend, you know, and, and truly like we will always have this mother-daughter relationship. I always say, maybe someday we’ll grow out of it. Carly’s like, no, never, never gonna happen. But um, but it really has taken on like a sister in another life.

That’s true. In another life. You might be my mom. Um, but we, it really has taken on like a sisterly, you know. Yeah. Um, upleveling, I would say like, um, I feel like we’re both in our own space of divine priestess hood and, um, and we, we learned from each other and mm-hmm. A big epiphany that I had that I was sharing with Carly was just related to my birth of Carly.

Hmm. Um, and this is something I’ll probably share in other podcasts as I get more into. Sharing what I have to offer around radical birth keeping and birth reclamation, debriefing post post birth services, but I experienced a very, very traumatic cesarean birth for my first one with Carly’s brother, oldest brother Eddie.

And uh, and then a semi better, you know, situation with Maury, but it was still very controlled and hospital oriented, even though there was a midwife. And then the last one was like, Carly and I just were really working together. I just had this beautiful space to really allow the birth to happen. I had so much confidence in my body and I feel like she brought that to me, especially in bringing me the power that I needed to know that I could do that.

And therefore I then had strength to deal with a really terrible divorce. Anything, a lot of different things that ended up coming our way. And you, I think. Probably there was some power that went into you too, because you, as a young girl, had to deal with, we had to be separated during the divorce and that was really hard.

Yeah. So knowing that like we had come through that really powerful birth portal together mm-hmm. I think really set us up for this. Um, and, you know, a way for us to just step into full our own empowerment of ourselves. And so that was, anyway, these conversations are just really profound to keep going and having with each other.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Just wanted to throw that in there too, for all the other mamas and daughters out there that are, you know, um, ’cause it, and, and I will say like, sometimes I will be on the call and thinking, oh my God, I’ve gotta do this, this, that and the other. And then bringing myself back in, I know, bringing myself back in and realizing like.

This is foundational. Like this is so important. Like I, I need to be here, you know, and just present in the conversation because something is really gonna shift here. Mothering is not over. I think you do the same thing though too. Sometimes you get annoyed and you’ll stick with it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, high five.

Nice.

But we had some other cool stuff that happened this summer too, like in the, there was a lot of opening and conversation between us about sexuality, which I think was just added a whole new dimension to our relationship and just being able to share a lot of what love making and sexuality is. And you know, not that we have to go into everything here for privacy purpose purposes, but I think that’s really a magical, beautiful space, you know?

Yeah. I felt like there was a lot of, like, for me, I hadn’t. I always felt comfortable discussing with you, with anyone, just how I felt around those topics of intimacy. Right. And I remember us talking before when I was younger about certain things. Mm-hmm. And I felt good talking about them, but hadn’t had many experiences.

Right. So. Having had more experiences, I feel more comfortable to talk about those things, you know? And there was a time where it was like, I’m having these experiences and I don’t feel comfortable talking about them yet. And now it’s like, we can have these conversations. I feel like I’ve had more, I don’t feel like, I know I have had more conversations with friends.

Mm-hmm. Uh, and just people around me about like all sorts of different things. And it’s been. Really fun to talk to people about intimacy because they don’t get to talk about it. Yeah. Actually, there’s, they love talking about it. There’s, when they do get to the, it’s like, oh, we get to talk about something that I don’t usually get to talk about.

It gives me an opportunity to diffuse the tension of like, yeah, I can’t say this. I can’t say this to this person. I can’t say this to this person. Oh, you’re telling me something. Then I get to tell you this. You know? Right. It’s like the vulnerability, like there was, there was a really good conversation you shared with me that you were talking about some young women.

I can’t remember how it started, but yeah. Porn got brought up. Yeah. We were talking. You share that because I think that’s really important. Like this is something that like I didn’t realize was going on. Can you share? Yeah. Well, okay. I’ll, I’ll give some context. We were talking about just like I. Was mentioning how in, in my self pleasure practice in having developed that mm-hmm.

I had learned a lot that helped me in intimate relations with other people. Right. And so we were talking about self-pleasure and they, one of the girls had mentioned that she enjoyed watching porn. And I told you this, and she was, she was kind of like, like, what? What? I know seriously. And I was like, yeah, like actually it’s.

More common than you think. Actually, a lot of young women and women enjoy it. I know. So I, this was funny because I was telling her like, you’ve gotta be kidding me. Like, I felt like a terrible mom. Like, I had not talked to her about it. I hadn’t done anything because I had totally focused on the brothers.

Mm-hmm. Like, I just assumed the boys were like, watching it, you know? Right. Like, or were accessing it somehow. And, and I hadn’t even thought that like, this was like something that young women would do. It was so not in my realm. Like, yeah. So anyway, it was funny. It’s, it’s surprising. Yeah. I, yeah, that was one thing that we talked about was like, just that it like.

Women want to have a connection to their sexuality, and often the only option that they know of is watching porn. That is terrible. That, and, and I don’t, and so like, we’ve had, like, like when I was talking to this other woman about it, she was like, I, yeah, I like to watch. And I didn’t, you know, I didn’t say, oh, that’s, I don’t, I, I don’t know if I think it’s so terrible only because.

Yeah. It’s such a vulnerable place, right? For you to say that, that’s terrible. Oh, yeah. No, I would never do that either. No. Well, no, I know. I know. But even, even just like, like, like when I’m thinking about like, is that a bad thing? Like, you know, do, should, should this be something that we don’t do? You know, I don’t watch porn because it doesn’t feel very intentional.

I also don’t really like, I don’t know. It’s not, it’s, I have other products. It’s rather, rather disconnected is what bothers me. You know? Yeah. But like, the world is rather disconnect. Well, that’s, and so it’s a reflection. It’s a reflection of that. And it’s, um, it’s like fast fashion. Yeah. Really? Yeah. It’s bad.

Yeah, that’s true. It’s, yeah. It’s like watching reels. Yeah. Of like short videos, right? Like short form content. It’s the same thing. All of it is is is bad as our kitty. Hi Jocko. We might have a little leopard join us. Let’s see if she comes through. I love moving through the day honoring all of who I am as a woman.

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Hello? We don’t know if you’ll see her come over here. Come see. You’re right in the center. How cute are you? She’s gonna give a little scratch for us anyway, um, you know. I, I don’t, I would never, of course, I have a hundred percent compassion for people that are stuck in a porn cycle, like mm-hmm. Loop basically, or that have been exposed to it and used it.

You know, I, anyone, to be honest with you, because it just, it naturally the body knows what it’s meant to do and we are so disconnected from all of that and how we teach people and raise our kids and act within our culture that, like, there’s, I wanna, yeah, I wanna say like, I totally agree. There are things that the body knows how to do, but there’s this book that I’ve been listening to, the Anatomy Cool.

Yeah. Women’s Anatomy of Arousal. Well, one of the things that she says that I agree with was like that, get here, let’s see if you want it. Come up here. Um, was that we also, that’s not really a good spot for you. You’d knock the whole thing over. Not, not only are there things that are inherent in the body mm-hmm.

Of knowing what to do. Mm-hmm. Um, but there are things that can be learned from talking Right. About these things. That’s true. Right. And because we don’t talk about it mm-hmm. People watch videos about it. Right. What else are you supposed to do? Right. So, um, there are a lot of things that I learned about from reading these books about the anatomy and lots of, you know, like I can see how porn could be used as a tool.

Right. But it also oftentimes isn’t a very great tool because it doesn’t really share like. A lot about anatomy in ways that is helpful. It’s really just like, at least the porn that I’ve seen, it’s not, you know Yeah. Helpful in learning things about that. You know, I feel like, uh, but there are lots of things that, that we, the secrets of the body, right.

That that can be learned and. Passed down, you know? Yeah. From you to me, right. From other women. Right. And like sort of aunties or something. If we had a, a community that was, you know, more that, and that’s really like why I wanna have this conversation with everybody too, and share this is because the idea is that we’re building the world that we wanna see, right?

Yeah. And so you’re gonna be a mom someday and how, what is the world gonna look like then? It would be nice if we could ease ourselves out of this place where porn is, is the thing to initiate people, you know? It should not be a place where people are initiating themselves. Yeah. You know, it’s really, it’s, and so to me there’s like, uh.

Obviously, like I said, I am, I, I’m not judging anyone who has had this, because I am deeply compassionate about the culture in which we’re in, but to me it’s sad, you know? It is sad that we don’t have a space for this conversation, and so to me that feels very motivated to create that. Yeah. I feel like it can be, it can be difficult, especially if you’re someone who watches porn, and I’m guessing that like maybe, I don’t know, 50% of the people I’m sure who are watching this, I’m sure a good percent of the people who are watching this maybe don’t do now, but definitely have, you know?

Right. For me, it’s like, I think it’s more exciting to, there are things that are way more exciting than porn, just like. Uh, to do with yourself, right? As far as, because sometimes you just think like, oh, like I don’t really know what else to do. Right. You know? Right. What else can I do? Right. What else is like an option?

And I feel like the biggest thing for me was just finding like intentionality and presence. Of like, okay, I’m going to be with myself. This is my time. Especially as a single person. Right. You know, I mean as people who are with partners too. Right. You know? Right. You have time with your partner and you should probably have time with yourself too, like in all healthy relationships.

Yeah. But it’s like I’m going to carve out some time for myself. Right. And that’s Ian care. Yeah, exactly. Of like, I’m going to do something for myself. I’m going to listen to my body and I’m gonna be here and I’m gonna turn off this screen and make more time for myself and you’re probably gonna have a better orgasm.

Right. That absolutely. You know, if that’s what you want. Absolutely. Yeah. But it’s like. A lot of people see it as, oh, if I’m not doing this, like then it’s not gonna be as good. Right. I promise. It’s, yeah. It’s so, and it’s so strange because, you know, I mean, this is coming from me like I have, I didn’t, I didn’t even consider porn as an option.

Like I, it was always something that guys did, which is why I was so surprised and now it’s really not. Yeah. A lot of, yeah, but like, so to me, I created the muscle memory of what I needed to find the arousal for myself. That being said, I was not always, I did not, I don’t even think I self pleasured until.

I don’t, oh, I had to be, I mean, I, I, it was after I had kids for sure. I didn’t even know. I thought that was something you weren’t supposed to do, you know, as a young woman. And so, um, and I think there’s still that belief for sure. But less so, you definitely see more, more content. You’re, you have like, I mean, with access to the internet, right?

You see, if you don’t see people talking about it, you certainly will, might get ads for a vibrator or, you know, something like in middle school I had started self pleasuring, but definitely was not comfortable with telling anyone about that. Right. I wouldn’t tell my closest friend, you know? Right. Um. And if I did, it was embarrassing.

Right. Like, so yeah. It would be awesome to have just an environment where it’s, yeah, we’re totally welcome totally. To do this. It’s not bad. And yeah. And is great to explore. Especially one of the things that I was talking to those other women about was like, it’s great to explore before you explore with somebody else.

Yeah. To explore yourself. Exactly. Yeah. For sure. And I, and then like on the initiation kind of phase into sexuality, like, I mean, I grew up in the, I mean, I, I was born in 71, but like, so my high school years were in the eighties and it was very promiscuous and not, not really in necessarily a positive way, you know?

Mm-hmm. It was a lot of like. Um, the attitude was really like that women should, that if I had to, if I had to give a phrase that, that encapsulated it, it’s like, wom young women or girls should put out for young men, boys, you know? And so we did, and it’s not to say we weren’t getting anything out of it, but it was definitely, um, you know, not formative as far as learning what was pleasurable.

I mean, I, I, I guess I remember it feeling good, but I don’t remember, like, you know what I mean? Yeah. Um, and then, but well, like, I think I was just wanted to share this one aspect that like, I was really lucky when I was in college. I had decide, I, I had had this one sexual interaction. Where we were, we had taken acid and I could see the energy that was moving between us and it led me to a space where I thought, this is so amazing.

This is what I wanna learn without any drugs, you know? Mm-hmm. And so I pursued Monta Chi as teachings. And at the time he was doing, he, he was, before he had his center in Thailand, and I did a lot of his teachings in Berkeley, California, is where he was doing a lot of ’em in San Francisco. And I met this, um, older man there who was, God, probably like two times my, he was probably 40 and I was, you know, 20, 21.

Mm-hmm. Maybe. And we sort of had this like agreement that, like, it would, we would, we were going to explore these teachings together and it was a very friendly, loving, like loving in the sense that it was this friendly. Plutonic. And though like we both knew that there was no way there was any relationship there and there wasn’t that kind of chemistry, but we were allowed to both explore.

And honestly, I feel really grateful that I had that. And so I know Luma’s talked about this in the Deer Tribe tradition. Like there was like an older man that would come in and initiate the young woman. And so I don’t, I don’t know how that would work, you know, as if we were to evolve a culture to be like that.

But gosh, that would be so amazing, you know, for both men and women Yeah. To have that. Because how great is it when you come together and you both know what you’re freaking doing? Right, right. You know, and that’s one of the things that I wanted to mention was like, I feel like you get infinitely more. Out of sex.

Right. And intimacy when you know what you like. Right. Because you are able to share that Right. With the other person. Right. Of like, you don’t have to figure this out. Yeah. Because I have That doesn’t make it any less exciting. And so, and so I love this about you too, Carly, is that I was explaining to you, you were sharing with me that like, it it’s been, um, I mean obviously very vulnerable, but like you have shared that with a partner that you’ve been with and that you’ve been able to, that you know is, you know, uh, an intimate partner that you’re, you know, committed to in, on a certain level, right?

Not, not like a forever partner or whatever. Yeah. But in any case, there’s enough established that like there’s this level of communication, right? And you’re able to share that. And I just thought like, this is crazy. I could never. I, it was so hard for me to ever say what I liked, you know, or what I, you know, it, it was like, we get so hung up on this like feeling, it was like I was burdening the feeling of who I was with, feeling like it would make them feel bad that they didn’t already know that about me.

Right. You know what I mean? Right. They would want to feel like they already knew all the spots. Yeah. And they already knew all the things, but how could they, yeah. It’s so stupid. Yeah. Yeah. You know, how many, how many years did I waste doing that? This is dumb. It is, and I’m super, I feel great to have had like such vulnerable conversations of this is what I want.

This is what you’re not doing. This is what I want you to do. Right. And it’s like also, of course, putting that in a way of this is not your fault. Right. You know, and that’s difficult too. Right. It’s not easy to be able to bring up things that you want and aren’t happening without saying, without blaming someone.

Right. Right. But it’s also so you know, this isn’t because of you. Right. It’s because we’ve assumed, you know? Right. Because of our society that it’s, our culture is just that way. Right. We don’t need to talk about it. You’ll know what to do. Right. No, you don’t. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You know what to do in some, what you can.

Learn is not much. Yeah. Like from our culture right now. Exactly. Exactly. And it’s just not a lot that you could come in with. Totally. And I think like I am super grateful to have had somebody to share these experiences with. It comes into it with, if no other knowledge, like with love, you know For sure.

With like an understanding that I’m going to listen to you, right? Yeah. You are really you. But you, but, and this is the thing is that I’ve said to you, uh, as well, is you created this experience to be present. Yeah. Like you, you know, we have to honor the fact that at some. Level, frequency level or otherwise that you have put out this and brought in the partner that you can have this dynamic with.

Totally. And how incredibly special that is. Right? Right. You know, no, there are a lot of things that I’m like, yeah, this is exactly what is helpful for me. I don’t Right. There are just so many different parts of the relationship that work really well. Right. For what I need. Right. And want right now. Right.

And it’s really helpful for just getting to know myself. Yeah. In many ways of like how I’m going to interact with, with our partners. Our cat is being barked at by the robin’s like crazy. Yeah. The Robin is right up in the tree about 10 feet away, and Jocko’s right here. She’s sniffing the flowers. She’s just, she likes that flower thing.

It’s so cute. She might get herself tangled up in there. That’s okay. Yeah, we hear you Robin. There she goes. Aw, you’re stuck. Nope. There she goes. All right. Cute. We might have to unwind her in a minute. Yeah. But we’ll see. Yeah. Anyway, I think that that’s helpful and, and yeah, I just wanna, I’m gonna throw my own experience into the mix and should there be anything you wish to share around this, you are welcome to.

Okay. But one of the things that happened to me in high school, if you can imagine, of all the most terrible times to happen was. Um, I, I was in a really bad relationship with this guy. I don’t even wanna give him a name because he was such a Turkey, you know, without saying bad words about him, you know.

But he basically cheated on me and everybody knew it. And then finally, some people were telling me, but I ended up still wanting to be with him. And he was in college and he, um, he was in college at uc, Santa Cruz. And I would, yeah, he was still, yeah. Uh, she totally, she’s okay. He was in, he was in college and so he was cheating on me with probably lots of other people at college.

I have no idea. Right. But I was still having sex with him and I ended up getting crabs. Yeah. Um, and I, uh. Ha. I had no idea. I had no idea. I mean, you would think I would know because I was itching, you know, in my pubic hair. But I basically ha I didn’t think, I just, I don’t know why. I didn’t think, I don’t know.

I was that clearly, totally disconnected from myself. I mean, but wait, so then I have my friend over my, my, you know, closest friend at the time comes over, spends the night. I give her crabs because she sleeps in my bed. Then I actually have sex with some other guy that everybody loved. Everybody loved this young man.

I mean, and he was a saint and he was very Christian and he probably shouldn’t have had sex with me. And I was probably his first one. And I gave him crabs on his first time. It was awful. Nicest guy in the world. And so then I feel like everybody knows. Everybody’s gotta know that I gave this guy crabs and that I am like this terrible, horrible slut.

I am. Like, I mean, it was just awful. Like I, I just had all of these, I mean, it was like the end of my senior year and all hope just tanked down. Right. You know what I mean? Like, uh, and I was pretty, I was like student body president. I mean, I was like, I had all these things like going on that like I was pretty well known around the school.

I wasn’t like in the popular crowd. ’cause I sort of. A as, as I, um, who I am is to not want to be any of those things. Yeah. I always like thrive on not being someone that fits into any one group, but I was known enough and so I just felt like everybody was looking at me anyway. It was like the worst experience of my life.

But yeah, we have to be able to have conversations that like open up these realms as well. Like, oh, totally. There’s a space when we get an STD or something like that and then we cringe because one, we feel like it’s like a threatening sentence to our own health. Yeah. That we feel like it’s our fault.

Mm-hmm. And that we are dirty because of it. Yeah. And that we’ve done something wrong. We’ve done something wrong. And, and it’s, it just further perpetuates Yeah. This belief of like, that having sex and being a sexual being is bad. That you’re a whore. Yeah. That you’re a whore, basically. That like, sex is bad.

Yeah. Sex is bad. And I honestly feel like, and I think I’ve said this in some of the other podcasts, but I’ve alluded to it, is that, and I’ve told you I think recently that it’s really dawned on me that the root wound of it all is how we birth. You know, that we are traumatized at birth and that is our cervical, our cervix is opening.

Mm-hmm. It is a portal of bringing life through, of bringing, of unifying spirit with flesh. Yes. As it’s coming through and. Yet doctors have done everything to invade that area to try and figure out how to extract it or hurry it up or control it in some way. And so creating that level of trauma disconnects us from our body right there.

Yeah. And we have that forever more. Yeah. Talk about how nature has just been so, yeah. Yeah. Foundational. I feel like nature’s been really good in just like yin care. Mm-hmm. It’s been sort of like, I feel like a lot of the former pieces of Yin Care that I was using when I was in school, like, uh, taking a bath, I guess.

I’m trying to think of what else I would do. Just like, I think, you know, your typical self-care routine, right? Those are just things that don’t feel they do that for me as much. Um, because I just, I spend so much time with myself. Yeah. That’s, if I’m gonna take a bath, it just feels. Less intentional, not well, last time, time we talked too, like you had gotten your snowshoes right?

Mm-hmm. And you were gonna go out and Yeah. And explore. And you really did want to, even in the winter mm-hmm. Make going outside be more part of your routine. And that was nice. And you did do that? I did, yeah. I did get to do that this summer. It’s like I get to go on hikes and go to the river. Um, and that’s really nice.

’cause it’s like just, it’s the yin care that’s really helping me right now. Yeah. Of like, I just would like to live my life outside. Yeah, totally. Yeah. That’s awesome. I love it. And I, I feel like I’m much more in touch with slowing down. You notice, I think a good example of this I was thinking about was the Alchemist Uhhuh.

Do you remember that book? I do. One of the things that they talk about that’s like a big theme is the Omens. Mm-hmm. And you have to like, train your eye to see the omens, um, and they’re all around you all the time. Mm-hmm. And if you just. Tap into that, you can start to see those things. And one of the things that like my routine wasn’t totally allowing for right?

Was noticing the omens. Right. You know? So the less that I have the structure, the more that I see things especially in nature, right? So the more that I go outside, I’m like, oh, this is calling to me and this is calling to me and I’m noticing this. And it’s not so much a question at all, right? It’s just, oh, look at that.

Right? That’s here for me. Mm-hmm. And I’m here for it. Right? And so that’s been definitely a big change of, I think a big part of. What I was having, like a routine and structure and all of those things. It’s very masculine. Yeah. And now it’s, I’m dropping into much more feminine of noticing things, slowing down Yeah.

Than seeing all of this beauty Yeah. That I wasn’t capable of slowing down to notice before. Yeah, exactly. So it’s, that’s my incare right now. I love that. That’s so good. Yeah. And then can you just share, are there any books you’re reading or any music you’re listening to? Yeah. Anything I’m reading, anything like that.

You, um, yeah. I’m reading this book by Chris Carr. Mm-hmm. Called, I’m not a mourning person, but it’s like mourning as in like grieving. And it’s about how to get through major life changes, losses. And learn to enjoy life again. And the way that she does that is through learning to actually feel your emotions instead of pushing them away.

Mm-hmm. Which is just the norm. Right. And I think there have been a number of things that have happened for me where I’ve been like, I just love the way she writes because she’s very, it’s easy for me now mm-hmm. To say to someone, well, like, like, I think it’s easy for a lot of us to say. But yeah, just like let, let yourself cry, you know?

Right. But to a lot of people, and to myself included, before I did do that, it was like, why would I do that? Right. You know, like that just doesn’t sound, there’s no reason to do that. Why would like. And so that, and that sounds so hard. How could I do that? Mm-hmm. And she says it in the best ways of just like, yeah, I know.

It’s hard. Like giving voice to that part where I think a lot of self-help things that, that want to deep dive into the emotions they often skip over of like, this is not easy. Right. You know, she says this is not easy and it is so worth it. Right. And so it makes you actually go, okay, I can do this. Right.

You know? Right. And, and, and get more out of it, like Right. Exactly. And learn so much more than what I ever thought would come of such a terrible event. Right. Exactly. Right. For sure. So that’s what I’ve been listening or not listening. I’ve been reading that one. Cool. And it’s nice to, I mean, it’s applicable at every level.

Yeah. You know? Of whether it’s just a small loss of, oh, I’m not in school right now. Right. Yeah. Which might be a bigger one. Right. Right. Or I lost a family member. Right. You know, and she has a lot of crazy things that’s happened that have happened to her. So it’s kind of nice to hear it from somebody who has had so many things happen.

Right. And still is learning more. Yeah. Through those things. Yeah. So. That one’s cool. That’s cool. That’s awesome. Yeah. Cool. And other content really, I think the best being just like looking at nature. Mm-hmm. So that’s your recommendation if you had to leave everybody with something? Yeah. I think it’s one thing that it’s easy to listen to.

Just bombard yourself with content from mm-hmm. The internet, whether it’s a podcast or Right. A YouTube video. So everybody, YouTube video, everybody’s step outside after this. Yeah. Okay. It’s good to listen to those things, but it’s also good to just take time. And let yourself absorb the content. Yeah. Of nature.

Definitely. Because, and what I like to always remind people is we are nature. We are not separate from it. Yeah. Yeah. And so really walls walls seem to make us forget Yeah. Walls. Because separate us from it. A hundred percent. And I’ve noticed that a lot. So yeah, that’s a big one. It’s a huge thing that I always found when I was going through the hardest times of my life, is just being able to step outside and be in whatever, going on a short walk or smelling a flower or whatever, it would bring me back in.

Yeah. Where I could be like, okay, I can go. I’ve got the fortitude to deal with whatever it is. Mm-hmm. You know? So, and I think, yeah, a big part of that too, also what, whatever in whatever way that you can get outside. I think like one of the things that I love to do is just. Not plan a hike or a walk. I’m going to drive to the river and sit there.

Right. And look at the water. Right. Ooh, that’s good. And so like, in that, it’s a very like, mindful practice that isn’t, oh, I’m getting exercise at the same time. Oh, I’m listening to my podcast at the same time. Oh. I’m like doing, I’m doing, doing, doing all of these things like, can you just sit there? Right.

And absorb what’s going on. And uh, and the more that you do it, the more that you’re like, I don’t have to do anything. But it just feels good to notice the different colors in the water Totally. That are like here. And what am I noticing? And look, there’s birds over there and there’s fish in the river and what she’s doing.

What is Jocko doing? Aw, just watching. She’s so cute looking. I know. I’ve, I just wanna add before we wrap up that this is such a big thing for me too, being on the farm and on this property, because when I come out in the morning and I do my invocation and my morning prayers, which is usually right around in this area somewhere, but looking at all of the plants and listening to the birds and listening to the quality of the day, listening to the rustle in the trees, feeling, feeling the pulse of the earth, you know, really, I don’t normally have rubber sold shoes or flip flops or whatever I’ve got on, you know.

I am really feeling myself connecting with the earth, and I do notice so much that mm-hmm the plants and the animals are responding and you get those little gems that kind of sink you up for the day and just tell you what the day’s gonna happen. Also, the, because the plants and animals here know that we are stewarding this land.

They’re sending messages like in what’s growing where, and they’re doing different jobs on the property. And so I’m constantly like looking at, okay, the thistles are there, like why are the thistles there and what are they doing and why do we need to pay attention to them instead of just chopping them down and mm-hmm.

You know, or what, whatever it is. But yeah, I just, I love being on the property, but I love going out somewhere else, like we’ve been able to do the past few days. That’s been so powerful for me. That’s nice to just go out. We’re so fortunate to be so close to Sinks Canyon and mm-hmm. You know what, like 20 minutes in the car and we’re up there and on the trail, no parking issues.

Right. Not whatever. Not paying gorgeous, gorgeous wild flowers. Beautiful river running through. Yeah. Clean air. It is a great spot. Like no one on the trail or one or two people that we run into. I mean, it was amazing. So yeah. Usually when I sit by the river in Laramie, there’s people. There’s good number of people.

More people. Yeah. Which is fine. Me. ’cause it’s fun to watch people interacting in’s. That’s true. Yeah. There’s always little kids, you know? For sure. Digging up. That’s so cute. Aw, I love that. That’s awesome. Yay. Well, thank you so much. So get outside. Yeah, get outside everybody. And thank you so much, Carly. I love you so much.

I love you too.

This was awesome. We’ll do another conversation with Carly on your next break or sooner whenever. And everyone, this has been lovely. You’ve been listening to the Yin Care podcast. Again, I’m your host, Margaret Jacobson, the Mother Rising. This is my beautiful daughter, Carly Schultz, and we will be back. Bye.

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