Ep 50: Intuitive Paths to Healing: Breaking Away from Western Medicine

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You may recall we had the first in our health, our Sovereign Health Choice series, where I interviewed Patricia Hernandez Stalder, and we explored her profound experience of interfacing with the medical system where they recommended a course of action and she chose to follow her own intuition. The Sovereign Health Choice Series explores women and potentially men who are willing to share their bold choices, where the Western Medical Industrial Complex directed them to receive certain protocols, treatments, or medicines.

And these courageous souls chose to listen to their own inner guidance and take a different course of action. Oftentimes these choices have been in the face of both resistance from the medical professionals who stand steadfast behind their recommendations with threats of death running rampant, or from family and friends who are incredibly uncomfortable with these personalized, intuitive choices.

And that goes against a Western medical practitioner or systems advice, right? So our guest today has done just that her own health creation journey has influenced her profoundly, both personally and professionally, and I am thrilled to have you hear her story. Marissa Oxa pursues. Every medium of expression with a wildness.

Her mother put her in a dance class as a child as she was deemed highly emotional and sensitive, and this became her dependable outlet for emotional alchemy until she was yanked from the city and thrown into a box house in the country and had to learn new ways of processing emotional weight into levity with a bachelor’s in fine arts, degree in contemporary dance, vocal music and sculpture with minors in creative writing and industrial design.

Marissa writes books, produces short films, performs characters in films, plays musicals and operas, creates found art sculptures from the land where she lives, and has spent much of the past decade as a book doula through her entity Smoke Blood Publishing, of which she is helping me doula book right now.

Supporting authors in bringing their books to life through that process. Now, additionally, as a full spectrum light warrior and mother of animals galore, Marissa Usher’s healing through Soften a company her womb channeled through meditation in 2020, offering quantum light body activations by assisting her clients in going deep into learning to trust themselves and the world around them by navigating the waters of creation and manifestation through the process of self-trust.

I welcome in author of somewhere between Shadow and Light Owner and operator of Soften and Smoke Blood Publishing, as well as a fellow Wyoming Knight, Marissa Wara. Welcome Marissa. So great to have you here. Thank you so much Margaret. It’s an honor to be here. Yay. I’m so glad we got to make this happen.

It’s fantastic. Yes. Oh my goodness. So interestingly, just to give people a background, because it’s kind of rare that two Wyoming its would find themselves in similar running circles if people don’t know Wyoming is like the least populated state, but like the most. Expansive area, so. Mm-hmm. I think both of us were in one of Z’s Z Earth star’s womb containers together.

Mm-hmm. And I don’t know, I must have said, we both were saying we were on in, probably in the chat that we were in Wyoming in. I was like, well, we must talk. And what’s so interesting too, is that you had book doula Danelle Barbara’s book. Mm-hmm. Cervical Wellness, right? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yes. Yeah. And I read that.

It’s called Informed Aware, empowered. That’s right. Your Guide to Clearing Paps. Basically, I had worked with her in clearing my own, and so I was able to also support her in bringing that body of work to light, which was again, an honor. So cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was just so delightful that we got to meet and then we’ve been working together over the past year in building the book that I will be bringing forward that we’re mm-hmm.

You know, fingers crossed Margaret has her time or organized and she will persevere. Folks, you’re gonna love it. Right? It’s gonna be one thing I’ve, one thing I’ve learned about books is it’s really, it’s barely about you, almost. It’s like you’re just the vessel in the channel for this creation. And so the more open and willing and available you are to the wildness of that journey, the better I guess we could say.

Yeah, absolutely. I love that. Well, I would love if we could just start with your initial portal into your healing journey. Mm-hmm. Uh, and just inter, if you could incorporate maybe these hard interfaces that you may have experienced with medical systems or practitioners that had different advice or how you should, you know, sort of manage your issues.

Yeah. And then just also include any outsiders opinions, family and friends, and what they had to say. And just weave. We’re, we’re just gonna weave a lot of story together today, so Amazing. Even before I begin, let me just say that stories, it’s such an interesting thing to tell your story because every time you tell it, you actually learn more about yourself and your journey through these portals of activation.

So for me, I was 22 years old. I just went in for my yearly pap smear, just a regular old Wednesday and maybe it was a Thursday. And I went to this woman in a sort of higher echelon area of Wisconsin where I was born and raised. She did my pap smear. She called me back like a month later. I sat there just a little 22-year-old, like dancing, singing, getting her degrees, wanting to be a performer and an artist in the world, make the world a better place.

No big deal. And she sits me down and she says, okay, well we have an abnormal pap smear and this is how it’s gonna go. And so she drew me a little chart. She said, right now you, there’s sin one, sin two, sin three for cervical dysplasia. And then after that, it turns into cervical cancer. And so right now you are at Sin three Borderline to cervical cancer.

If we do nothing, you’ll be dead. In 10 years, I’ve had women not come back to me and they’re not no longer alive. So little 22-year-old me is sitting there like, wait, what do I have? Wait, what are you talking about? Wait, I’m dying. I just got here like started. You know what’s so funny is like I said that in the beginning and I thought to myself, you know, I don’t remember when you and I have talked if people were threatening death, but they just, we always find a way to do that.

I mean, let me, let me also just weave in my parents’ stories, which I know they’re okay with me sharing a, a tidbit of, but you know, we had the exact same experience. My mother, she was given three months brain, brain tumor, you know, like you operate or you die? No, it’s been 11 years. My father bone cancer, he was given six or nine months.

It’s been three and a half years. Wow. Um, he’s thriving more than he was before. And that is, I guess, the point of illness in the western medical industrial complex at this time. The point of the trigger, as I’ve seen. Is, it is an initiation to trust yourself. It is a hard and fast one, and it is a, like sink or swim.

Learn to love yourself in the ways you haven’t. That is the only, that is the positive. The only positive I see to universally why this is happening, why we’ve gotten to this drastic point mm-hmm. Where everybody’s getting these death threats. One of the things that that has really settled into me as shocking is that some human being could ever tell you when you’re gonna die.

I know. Are they, are they prophets? Are they some sort of prophecy? I mean, I’m, I’m like a seer, oracle intuitive, and I would never, ever tell someone that I think they’re gonna die at some moment. Even myself, I often find myself in death portals where I’m like, oh, is this death? Like, no, it’s, it’s. It’s the releasing of old energy that is illness.

Illness is like, Hey, look at this body. Look at this energy. This energy wants to be alchemized, so you have to release this energy, let it die, quote unquote, in order to make space for the new life, for the person you’re becoming, for, you know, the transmutation of being alive. Aliveness is a consistent oscillation of life and death and rebirth.

You know, the rebirth is this oscillation of life and death. Anyway, so back to, yeah. Being in that office. She had told me that she wanted to, I can’t remember the name of it, but I know Danelle’s book goes really deep into what the origin of all the surgeries related to cervical dysplasia or cervical cancer HPV are.

And so they wanted to like, I guess, cut my cervix and like, I think it’s a biopsy, right? Like take some of the skin. Um, and they said that it was like a cone thing that they were gonna carve outta my cervix that would like basically inhibit my ability to have children in the future. Again, 22 years old.

And she said, we’re gonna need you to come back into the office every three to six months for the rest of your life to manage this disease. Wow. And so that was the moment when she said that. And me, little deer in the headlights was like, what? I just, I just came in ’cause you asked me to come in, like I didn’t know you were gonna try to like take over my body for the rest of time.

And I just remember leaving. You were 20, right? You said you were 20? 22. 22. Oh my goodness. And so I walked from her office into my car, this sacred rage, like Yeah. Funneled inside me. And I was just like, what? And then I was just, I had this, like, that, that rage awakened something in my heart space and in my solar plexus.

So I didn’t know those words even at the time. Right. I was just like, kind of like into witches and kind of into the, you know, like, like, well how does magic work in the world at that time? Right. Um, which I think is how a lot of people start. Absolutely on the journey. It’s just 100s like, oh, magic, you know, fantasy books, whatever.

But, uh, but that was that sort of calling of like, I could feel and, and an initiation of truth of like, mm-hmm this isn’t real. I don’t have to answer to this woman. She doesn’t know what she’s talking about. She’s seen the world through a lens like this. And even though I didn’t have those words at the time, it was like now that I reflect back, I can see that I felt and recognize that truth.

Wow. Tapped into it and knew in that moment I would never go back to Western Medicine again because there was nothing for me there, because there was nothing for me. There was, how would there have been anything for me if she’s telling me she wants to basically take authority over my body and tell me what my life is gonna look like and then that I’m gonna die if I don’t listen to her.

Right. That sounds like the highest form of control. And we have words for that in society, but I won’t use them. But yeah, so. Wow. That was basically my initiation. And I am grateful to have had the ancestors that I do because my grandmother, she’d had her uterus taken out and there was no cancer. They just like told her there was.

Wow. Um, so we had had, that’s crazy. That as like a family story. And then I had witnessed my mom go through hers. My dad go through his recently, you know, like there’s, there’s an ancestral and a genetic sort of tug that we’re all playing these roles up to, in, in sort of a way, awaken the truth of Western medicine for what it is.

Yeah. And it is like a cooptive form of coercion and control. And that’s just what it’s Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. And it’s great that you, so there’s so many threads here that I’m curious about because you’ve shared pieces of your story with me before, but mm-hmm. We haven’t spent dedicated time like this, so I’m super excited to tease out some pieces of that.

But did you share with any, let’s just start with, did you share with anybody what happened and what was their response? And then what did you decide to do with that information that you were given at that doctor’s office? I did tell my parents when I got the letter in the mail, I showed them the letter that she had sent me confirming my results, and they were shocked.

You know, I mean, I’d never really, I’d like broken an arm and when I was seven, that’s about it. I’d never really been someone who had a lot of health issue. I was pretty balanced and regulated so long as I kept expressing myself creatively, which kind of comes full circle because it’s now the way that I’ve alchemized anything that’s ever come through my life as resistance.

Mm-hmm. But my, uh, yeah, my parents were just really shocked. They didn’t know what to do, they didn’t know how to respond and they were mostly like shocked that I’d ever had sex because that’s how you get HPV because I was raised in a sort of a Catholic Christian. Mm-hmm. You know, I went to Catholic Christian grade school in high school and mm-hmm.

While there may be value in those, um. Sort of religious doctrines. Mm-hmm. Um, the, the things, the threads that, that I do appreciate from that upbringing are the ability to really trust, fall into faith with the universe, God, whatever name nomenclature you align with. Mm-hmm. Um, I can still remember like being in church as a 9-year-old and like feeling my crown chakra opened up and I didn’t know what that was at the time, but I remember feeling like this, like cleansing spiritual energy.

And that moment has come back to me so many times over the years as like a, a pillar of, I always have felt this divine connection. Look at that. Like you always felt that no matter whether you in, we’re in a church or in a field or microdosing mushrooms by a fireplace, you know, like it doesn’t matter.

Like you can access that in any time space. It’s not restricted to, uh, religious doctrine. So, yeah, they were mostly concerned about that. But I didn’t really tell anyone else because there was also a lot of my journey has been clearing the shame wound that I inherited that Christianity. And so, okay. And Catholicism really perpetuates the shame wound.

Shame of having sex. Shame of this shame of alive shame. Of shame of being sick. A big one. Shame of being sick. What? Shame. Shame. I know, right? So explain that because that’s so interesting. I, at first I was like, well, what shame wound? ’cause there could be so many, right? Yeah. But yeah, you, I could definitely see.

That you would have the shame of having sex and then the shame of being sick is a big one. Yeah. Can you share with me how that worked for you? Yes. Um, the, I think it’s a fear of weakness. A fear of being perceived as, you know, the alteration of one’s reputation. Mm-hmm. The alteration of one of, oh, if other people see me as weak, then I see myself as weak.

So it’s also, um, not being sovereign, not really owning your story, but outsource or outsourcing your story, your authority, your self approval, your self-worth to others. Mm-hmm. Which was a lot of what I was living with at that time. Um, and yeah. Yeah, that’s, yeah. Absolutely. That’s basically the shame wound.

So, so when, the, the thing that’s interesting in this too is that when, when we have shame wounds, it can often be really challenging. To begin to trust ourselves. Mm. Mm-hmm. And so I’m wondering how you made a leap to trusting your own intuitive guidance to take the next steps, whatever they were, and then if you could share with us what your sort of next steps were.

Mm-hmm. Um, to do something or not do something about this. Right. Oh yeah. So basically with the self-trust. Aspect, I was so privileged to grow up with the mother that I did. She would train me in mind dynamics, which was a big thing in like the seventies and and sixties, eighties, somewhere in that area.

She trained in it when she was young, so I’d be like 10 years old and she’d be like, okay, close your eyes. I’d be in the backseat of the car while we were driving errands and she would be like, okay, now what number do you see? Do you see a color? Do you see this? Do you see that? And so like I was always very encouraged to be in touch with my intuition because of my mother’s own interest and experimentation with that along her path.

So there was this one person she worked with. She’s a metalsmith and jewelry designer as well as a painter and an artist. My dad is a musician, his father is a musician. Um, so we have the music and the art really rich in my blood drawn. Yes. So the creative alchemy of emotions is like very, very deeply in my blood.

His purpose, um. But there was someone she worked with and my intuition said like, mom, don’t talk to that man. And like, I would say this, and I would like Hower behind her when she worked with him. Mm-hmm. And I just felt this like, get, get us both away from this person. And it turned out like years and years later, he was like saying his stepdaughter and was arrested and put in jail for it.

He was what? Saing, you know. Oh God, I don’t Assaulting. Assaulting. Yeah. I’m just trying to like be PC about the Okay, got it. The label of it for Oh. For social media purposes, but Oh, got it. Yeah. He was, he was assaulting his stepdaughter. It, I get it in, in an intimate way. Yeah. Um, and it was like in the paper.

Yeah. And so like that, along with, there was a story of me in high school. I like felt this deep sadness. And I called my mom, I was like, I feel like I wanna die. I, I need to come home. And it turned out that the kid I was sitting next to in French class had just tried to commit suicide. Wow. And so, like, I had a lot of, because I was so open.

Yeah. I had all these experiences in my life of this sort of intuitive knowing. Mm-hmm. Um, that, that gave me credence, that gave me a lot of that trust. Yeah. When I felt that sacred rage speak through me in the office, that doctor’s office that day. So I did have a lot of seeds that had been planted. As well as the fact that my mother and my mother’s mother were naturopaths, were very into essential oils and herbs.

So when I was diagnosed, I immediately signed up at Chestnut Herbs Medicine School. So for like an herbalism course, I dived more deeply into that. I worked with some people in essential oil worlds to, um, I was basically taking a syringe of Melissa Oil and sticking it up my vagina, which was, now I know it was too much for my body.

Right, right. Actually gave me, and then I was like drinking frankincense oil by the tablespoon with honey. Wow. And it made me very sick doing that. Oh my goodness. ’cause it, it was not balanced and it was not intuitively led. It was just the same as the western medicine approach of like, force stuff on the body.

This is so, this is such good medicine you bring to the table because that is a, a very normal thing that people will Yeah. Will do is to, mm-hmm. You find out one good thing and not really understanding the full breadth of the application of it and how it affects the body is, um, is challenging. And then there’s that dynamic of, well, how do I learn to take care of myself using my own intuition?

And where is the line where I do seek out a practitioner? In these other systems of medicine that are available for guidance, should I feel like I need it. You know what I mean? Mm-hmm. Yes. But I, so I just let, I mean, not, not that we have to go into that so much, but I just think it’s really important to just, um, put that into the space that, that that’s a real thing.

And that’s really normal. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It is. It’s, it’s also because that approach is so ingrained into us through this western medicine takeover, which of course, people can look to your book for a lot of the history and insight into where we, and why we are, where we are in the current infrastructure.

But basically, yeah, it, it, it translated and I, I knew it, it’s like I knew it intuitively that what I was doing was not right for me. Mm-hmm. But I was still afraid and I was still ashamed and I was just trying to survive, basically. Yeah. ’cause I didn’t know what was gonna happen. Um, come to find out years later, like the whole root of it is fear.

The whole root of the cervical dysplasia, borderline cervical cancer thing was fear, the shame, the fear, the not having boundaries around intimacy with self and others. So I was also a people pleaser for much of my life. So it was like. Healing a lot of those things, but we’ll get into that. But, but you know, like all of those things were still in action when I was trying to like funnel stuff into my body.

Mm-hmm. At that time when I was first diagnosed, so I was also the lead in a musical in college. At that time I was Lola in Dam Yankees at UWM Milwaukee. Oh, cool. But I was in between rehearsals when I went home and I was like shoving oils in both directions. And so I got bronchitis and it made it almost possible for me to sing and finish up that performance.

Oh my goodness. Along with performative trauma, which really comes into my creative path that is so tied with my healing alchemical journey. I had a dance professor, I remember my friend Zach was standing next to me in rehearsal and the dance professor walked up to me and she said, now make sure you don’t gain any weight during these rehearsals because you have to fit into your costumes.

And Zach looked at me like, did she really? Just say that to you. And I was like, I think so. I’m blacking out over here. Did she really just say that to me? And that really, oh my God. That really made me feel like, oh shit, what can I trust in this world? I can’t trust like the elders in the arts to like show and set a good example.

I can’t trust the medical practitioners to teach me what health really is. I’m just like alone out here in the abyss of the unknown. What am I supposed to tether to? And that’s what we’re all doing is floating around, finding a way to come back home, back home to, to, like you said, so eloquently, to drop into that space of faith, into trusting that there is something that is, that you can tether to, that you that can stabilize you.

And yes. And so anchoring yourself in ways that showing yourself, you know, for me, I always like to say like that. Self-trust is like a muscle that we build, you know? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I think you’ve probably heard me say that before. So finding ways in which we’re teaching ourselves that we are dependable, that we are showing up.

Yeah. And so I think in many ways, even though you were taking something that wasn’t the correct remedy, you know? Mm-hmm. And you were taking something, you were making a step forward to, you know, that you, there’s probably a part of you that knew that you were making an effort, you were showing up to take it every night, even though it wasn’t the right thing.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. There was some level that was getting through. So, so did it end up that you had to, um. That was there, was there any work to be done or did it end up just being, like you said, just that you were working with fear and how did you figure that piece out and did, it sounds like you never went back to the Western medical system, so you just assumed that you just kept living and things were good.

Yeah, I mean I’ve been, I’ve had all sorts of different illnesses in different ways and aspects since then. I mean, starting with the spiral out of depression and anxiety. Mm-hmm. Um, so from mental to physical to spiritual illness to um. You know, mental, mental, emotional, physical, spiritual. I’ve had a lot of explorations and touch points with all of these different types.

And really every single one has been a teacher leading me back to myself, leading me back to trusting myself, trusting my intuition, trusting that everything is an opportunity to know myself more deeply to mm-hmm. Learn how to trust myself as simply a reflection of life itself more deeply. Absolutely.

And so this is really leads into the kind of prompt that we were discussing of really that illness is a form of initiation. Mm-hmm. And, um, that. And then also we wanted to bring in how you go about utilizing emotional expression to alchemize illness and whether it’s mental or physical, et cetera. Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. Um, so maybe you could kind of talk a, I know those are kind of slightly separate, but they do weave together if you wanna just respond. Yeah, absolutely. Um, so one of the ways that I’ve healed my cervix has been actually through sex. Mm. Um, I lo, I lovingly have a very wonderful partner who has been on this journey with me, and Danelle talks a lot about de arming the cervix, you know, so basically like when you have a broken arm touching, it hurts.

But the way to heal it is to touch it and, you know, to, to tap in with that pain and lovingly hold that pain so it can loving, it can slowly release, let off slash alchemize back into love. It’s fear asking for love. It’s a child asking for compassion, asking for presence. Any wound is that way. Mental, emotional, physical, spiritual.

And so with the cervix, a lot of it was like, like allowing myself to within myself during the bliss moments of orgasm, being like, okay, how can I open myself? Oh my God, I feel fear there. Oh, I feel resistance to wanting to be open for my partner there and there. And oh, that’s a new place that I haven’t opened myself up.

So it was like all of this opportunity to expand into. Those places that had been shut down due to shame, due to sexual shame, due to like the Catholic religious upbringing. Shame to peer rejection. I mean, all sorts of things live inside this, this reproductive system as metaphor for where they live in your brain, where they live in your heart, where they live on your skin, and in the wounds that you physically experience.

I mean, you can tap into a wound in a multidimensional way from any angle. I, so and so. Yeah. And so that was one of the best, most amazing ways to heal was just like deaming so beautiful through a sexual, intimate practice. And also with myself with self-pleasure, my form of self-pleasure was very rooted in shame as a kid, you know, this upbringing, and I mean, I think it, it’s so normal.

All of this is so normal for the majority of us. Yeah. Anyway. Just wanna say that. Go ahead. No, please. Yes, absolutely. And so, de arming that same self pleasuring shame, like, and, and all of that opened me up to recognize that, oh, life is about enjoying myself. Like mm-hmm. I can simply trust myself and live in bliss.

Wait. Oh, I just have to grant myself permission to do that. And the, the bliss I receive in return for opening, for granting myself the permission, giving myself the permission slip to lean into what feels good, by allowing what feels bad to express itself, that’s healing, that’s alchemy. That’s like aliveness.

Absolutely. Okay, so this is the question That’s a little, I, yeah. I wanna know if you know much about your own, because we’re tying in different systems of shame, and you and I talk a lot about like orchestrated systemic structures. Yes. So we, you, in my book, we’re working on, you know, the, um, uh, medical system, governmental system, and we even touched a tiny bit on finances, you know?

Mm-hmm. A bit. Um, but. Being that I feel that the control of the womb, the control of our, of our birthright to bliss is inflicted with pain at the very get go. In the sense that it’s not necessarily your womb, but possibly your mother’s womb. I’m wondering what your birth experience, I mean, I’m not saying this happened to you.

Yeah. But maybe it did and I would like to know what was your birth experience like? Yes. My mother had trauma with my oldest brother where she hemorrhage. The doctor didn’t show up. He was on vacation, but with me, she, by the time I was the third mm-hmm. Birth. That she experienced Uhhuh. And so by me, she had gotten really into he self-healing, and she was drinking barley green every day.

She was drinking raspberry leaf tea, like for the last trimester. So I flew right out the door. She actually, she got up on the counter in the kitchen and screamed because she saw a mouse. So my dad runs down the stairs in his underwear, and he’s like, oh no, are you giving birth? She’s like, no, there’s a mouse.

And he’s like, so like, oh my God. But then her water dropped and then I came out, you know, an hour after they got to the hospital. So you were, but you were born in a hospital? Not at home. Home. I was Okay. That’s okay. I’m just curious. I mean, there’s no good or bad here, you know that. No. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Go ahead.

Yeah. And, uh, and so, um, yeah, I mean, that was it. That’s, that’s my birth story. Um, I always felt like I made it real easy. Because, um, I’m a soul that has spiraled in and out of realities mm-hmm. Since I’ve been, you know, kind of like a master soul at that. Yeah. We could say. Yeah. Um, and that’s a lot of what alchemy and creative expression and healing is, and especially so, so birth.

Um, now I have been pregnant once, but I wasn’t able to deliver. Mm-hmm. And so I had to make the impossible choice to not keep the pregnancy. Mm-hmm. Um, for many reasons. I have so many drafts of this story that I have not yet posted to my substack because I’m just like, man, there’s so many layers to it.

But basically it was the anxiety, the depression, the cervical cancer, the morning after pill that I took because we knew that like, oops. Whoops. You know? Whoops. Yeah. Right. Oh, so I took it, right, right. And then I went to get checked out and they said that it was already separating from the wall, so it wasn’t like a very potentially successful pregnancy.

So all of that, and still, I, I felt so ashamed of myself. Yeah, right. For, for deciding not to continue that pregnancy so much. The shame wound with that. Mm-hmm. But it was very complex on a multidimensional scale for sure. It’s like I was designed to have that experience to open up the womb and release all that shame.

Mm-hmm. And that soul, many souls want to just come and touch point the reality. They don’t wanna have a whole full, long life. They just wanna like, oh, let me experience this death portal. And so the morning I was meant to give birth. My, my due date mm-hmm. Would’ve been Mother’s Day. Funny enough. Wow. And, um, a kitten was like abandoned out of its mother’s womb on the porch.

No way. That day. And so my partner’s mom comes in with a kitten and then like, I’m like, oh shit, I’m feeding and taking care of this thing that can’t take care of itself and wiping its little ball. So it was like I was mothering anyway. Oh yeah. And, and it was like something deep inside me told me that was connected, that was like, oh, definitely synchronically, duh.

It was like synchronistically the same soul imprint. Like when I, when I touched, held that kitten, I was like, oh, this is the baby. This is the soul. So even if it’s not exactly the soul, it was the same imprint. This, there was this, this motherly recognition with that. Yeah. And so then we got eight more kittens.

So we had like nine cats, you know, nine lives. And so there’s this really interesting thing where that initiated me into. This mothering phase of my life. Mm-hmm. But instead of it being a human child, it was like, no, we’re gonna have to train and release so much through, I think it’s been like 60 cats now, two dogs, uh, horse friends outside the cows that I sing to.

You know, it’s just like consistently this opening up and this blossoming of, of what motherhood is. Yeah. So, so bringing it back to my birth story, um, it, it felt very connected. Like, like my birth was easy, but for my mother mm-hmm. Which I’m grateful to have made it easy on her. Yeah, for sure. My birth, my first birth experience was nothing but a portal of initiation again and again, re regarding the womb, the cervix, this, this blossoming, this opening, this releasing of all of the things that, deep in my heart, I knew my genetic line could not carry on any further.

Right. Which brings us to ancestral genetic healing. Exactly, yeah. Because it’s like, I am not meant to have a baby until all of this karma, all of this energetic debris, we could call it all sorts of things is, is completely cleared from my womb space. From the cosmic. Yeah. You know, epicenter that connects into the entire galaxy itself.

Exactly. A hundred percent. Yeah. And so I guess my point in bringing up the whole connection to a hospital is that a hospital is a trauma imprint, a place of trauma. Im imprint for women. And so, I mean, you know, this is your story, not mine, but I often. See, even if a birth, like even with myself, I, I, I feel like, I feel like, I feel like the hardest part of my own personal birth was my separation from the placenta.

Mm. Um, that it was done in a way that was so disrespectful and so dishonoring. It was like earth shattering for me in that moment. It’s not that I wasn’t put into loving arms. Um, um, but, you know, there’s that imprint of them taking the baby and not, you know, at the, I mean, I was born in 1971, you know, and so mm-hmm.

There’s no way they just handed, well, they probably handed the baby to my mom, handed me to my mom. ’cause I know there’s pictures of me with Ves all over me, but they, you know, quickly scooped me over to weigh me and everything like that. And I no doubt spent time in a, you know, not right next to her skin the whole time.

Mm-hmm. Et cetera. So. There’s, there’s just like structures within that system that leave, that are, you know, leave even just like basic levels of trauma, like around a mother not knowing how, not trusting a mother and teaching a mother that she can’t trust herself to care for the baby. That the baby must be monitored, that they know better than she does, and that they need to, you know, weigh the baby and take the baby’s temperature and all this, you know, these invasive stuff that’s happening.

If you staying there for any length of time, which of course at that time you, they usually did, you would stay for a few nights to a week or you know, you know, extra days. I know my mom did stay there longer ’cause I think I was told that the heater in the house hadn’t been working and that they were trying to get that working before they brought me home.

’cause I was born in the winter, but, um. You know, and anyway, that trauma imprint and that level, I feel like that is the, on an earth plane, on the three dimensional level, I feel like that is one of the most fundamental control traumas that’s inflicted on women, you know, in, in, in other circles of spiritual, or even, what do you call it, new age kind of areas where they’re talking about, well, I even talked about this I think with Indigo Angel when I did the interview with her, but, um, the, the control, like the, uh, the forced breeding programs mm-hmm.

That, that people will say, I think that like, there’s this, there’s this really weird disconnect. That we have in our society where this actually is a forced breeding program. If you think about the hospital birds, everything about it is controlled. Especially nowadays, it’s so hyper controlled. Mm-hmm.

There’s so much more, you know, it just, I mean, I, it was worse. It was bad even before, and some people slip through the cracks a little bit and they have an easier time and less, less trauma than others. We’ll definitely grant that because like I said, I don’t think I had massive trauma, but that it was still like there’s an imprint that’s overlaid and it’s purposeful.

It’s just consistently purposeful. It’s consistently purposeful that like you decide to have. Make love with someone or just have a sexual experience of exploration in your young twenties, and then your first major touchstone with a medical system is, well, you’re never gonna be pregnant again and you’re gonna die like you, my friend.

Clearly cannot trust your womb and you are gonna be trusted with one of those by the. De dismantling these layers, like you’re talking about, are so hugely important because what they don’t want us to know, like, and, and I’m sorry if this sounds like, like there’s like some level of conspiracy theory, like that’s like, but it it truly is.

There’s this, there’s, it’s, it’s true. Weird. It, I’m sorry, I’m going on and, and on and on. You got me going off here. But it’s too weird. It’s like a cult, you know? Yeah. It’s like a cult following. Cult of cult. Yeah. It within the, within the birth arena. Like everybody’s willing to say that, defend the birth system because well, what if the baby dies or what if this, okay.

So it’s okay to inflict, inflict all of this trauma that completely ruins a woman’s connection and her empowerment to become a mother and feel this deep level of, of soul. Soul fulfillment with your womb. We’re willing to sacrifice all of that. Like, and it, it doesn’t make any sense. Anyway. Okay. Your turn?

Yes. Ps let’s put her on her back. Yeah. Oh, yeah. All of it. Oh, sorry. And ps let’s have, you know, let’s like, yank it out of her. Let’s make, oh, that too. Push till she hemorrhages. Push, push, push. Just like in life. Push. Make yourself feel successful, achieve things. Have the family, get the house. Do the OPS.

We’re gonna make it as difficult as possible. Connect. And the irony is that the, that the womb itself. When you are in touch with it, everything is so easy for everyone around you. Yeah. Like you’re not just working your womb space and your intuition and deepening your connection with the tissues and the energies that are deeply embedded in there.

The structures that like we don’t even fully understand the capacity of, because heaven forbid we, we learn that. Mm-hmm. But once you start to get you, you realize how it is truly serving everyone in the family, everyone in the community, when there’s a full, full, a free flow of this love and this bliss and this, you know.

So it’s beautiful that you brought in sexual healing. I love it. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I’m so glad. Yeah. And you know, you’re reminding me of the book that I’m writing right now, um, chugwater Chugwater in Wyoming. It’s a fictional story, but it’s really, it’s my attempt to take a psychological thriller and turn it into something healing for the collective.

I love it. Uh, which is so random. It’s like, you know, writing a book is so random in itself because you’re like, what am I doing? I’m having like, nightmares about someone else’s story as though it’s my own. And it, it is, uh, these are, these are human artifacts. As my partner often says, you know, he’s a filmmaker and he often talks about how storytelling is, is.

Human artifacts. So even if it’s not my story, it is my story. It’s, it’s, yeah. The character carrying these stories. And so there is a whole thing with the two mothers that are a big part of the story, giving birth themselves on their own by the creek in water. Wow. That I’m just fantastic. Brought back to the surface.

Yeah. I’m really excited to see how the things that I’ve personally experienced weave themselves into story through these other characters that are invented, but actually so real. They’re like my friends that are living in my psyche, which can bring us to the power of story and healing and the power of speaking.

You know, even right now my jaw is like mm-hmm. Like releasing all this energy. Wow. Because every time we tell our story, it’s a new way. It’s a new, yeah. Energetic, you know, alchemy of expression. Yeah. I love that. And you were talking about the, one of the things, just to weave this in, one of the offerings that you are putting forward is to help people through writing their own mm-hmm.

Memoir, yeah. Process their story. You wanna share a little bit about that? Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. The stories that have come to me since I opened Smoke Blood in 2018 have all related to healing. It’s so interesting. One is a young adult novel about a man who lost his brother to suicide because his brother had a mental illness, and he took his real life story, turned it into a fictionalized version of itself for young adults.

Because he was a young adult when he watched his brother go through this, and it, it like gave me chills when I read it. I was like, I have to publish your book. We have to get it out there. And even Danelle’s book, obviously very focused in healing, but every single story that comes to me, it’s like, wow, this is a story of healing.

This is a story of alchemy. And so whether you write your story through poetry, through fiction, through a nonfictional memoir, it really doesn’t even matter because you are expressing the story. You’re telling the story. The stories that we used to tell around the fire are now printed and bound and shipped, but it’s the same art, the same act of community connection of helping ourselves to heal and helping.

One another to heal and not even heal because there’s nothing wrong. There’s nothing to fix, there’s no cure necessary. What it really is, expansion, alchemy, aliveness, truth and harmony with all of life itself, that that is, is the truth of storytelling. It is all of those themes. So when we transmit through our voice, I mean, we have the tissues in our throat around our larynx.

So the same tissues that are in the cervix. Exactly. You know, it’s cool. It’s like the voice speaks in both directions. Mm-hmm. And I always find that so powerful and profound. So what I do with anyone who comes to me wanting to write a story or publish a story, a lot of them have also turned away from the mainstream publishing industry because it functions in such a way as it does.

Tend to take advantage through contract law. Sometimes it, shes a story and then the story’s never told, which is like persecution. So a lot of people experience touchstone with these horror stories that I wanted to create like a very safe space for people to tell their stories to be as honest as possible because it really is a brave thing to tell your story in whatever form.

And then to be able to share it the way they want to not have their creative control sort of co-opted by some sort of agenda and actually have my poetry collection, I grabbed off the shelf. Oh, cool. This collection, what does it say? What does it Somewhere between shadow and light. Oh, that is, okay, cool.

It’s just backwards. But that, I actually put 10 years of poetry together while microdosing mushrooms for two weeks because I was so anxious and depressed and I could feel like my ancestors struggles with this. It’s like they never got to walk fully through that portal. You know, they never got to finish and complete.

’cause that’s what any trauma or any dysregulation or any dis-ease really is. It’s seeking completion. It’s seeking that, that light of love to be like, oh, look at that. We like moved, we alchemized. Right. We learned, we grew, we expanded. That’s what we’re doing here. Yeah. And this was the first book that I put together and published was my own.

So Cool. I love that. Yeah. What? And on the other side of that portal, I was less anxious and depressed and I had something to share with the world. I love that. And I love that you brought in microdosing and I didn’t you admit. You mentioned it at some point before and we didn’t really hit on that, but I am a big fan of microdosing.

I usually, I microdose like once a week, usually on a Saturday, and it’s just my day to recalibrate, to re reconnect, reconfigure, you know, just really see what, to me, it drops me into a space where I know what really is real and what isn’t, and I don’t. Mm-hmm. It doesn’t, it keeps me so that I’m not out of touch and spiraling into the, what could be the insanity of running multiple businesses, et cetera.

Yeah. Like that. It just grounds me back in and. And honestly, it brings me back deep into the womb space of just mm-hmm. Knowing what’s really important for all of the things that I support around me. But, um, you, I’m assuming for, based on what you said, you used it for moving through this anxiety phase that you were experiencing, correct?

Mm-hmm. Yeah. And did you do that? Like mostly they say like every other day or every third day, or how did you work with it? Um, I did it. I did it intuitively. Cool. Don’t follow anyone else’s advice. Follow your own, you know? Yeah. Trust. That’s part of the process of self-trust. It is, uh, one of my oldest brother’s favorite sayings is that, that, you know, jump off of a cliff and you find there’s a featherweight bed waiting at the bottom.

Like that is self-trust. It’s like every single time that when you first start out, like. The way I first started out with self-trust is learning my yes and my no. My body’s yes and no. Not my minds, not my emotions. My emotions can be very, very loud. My thoughts can be very loud, but my body can speak through that with truth.

Mm-hmm. It’s not as loud. So for me, that was muscle testing and that was me sitting in a bath for hours and being like, what does yes feel like? And I felt like after a while it was like I didn’t feel anything. But then I started to notice every time I asked, I felt this like blissful tingling up my, up, my vagus nerve, up my chest, up my thymus gland, you know?

Mm-hmm. And then what does no feel like? And it was like this hard stiffening, and I was like, oh, cool. Like I have, this is a magic tool for my magical tool about now. Totally. Like, yeah. And I, I also do this one a lot. Like what is my, yes. Mm-hmm. What is my no Right. And you know, these are such. I’m a big, uh, tools, I’m a big know yourself.

I’m a big pendulum gal. Yeah. You know, like it’s, you know, and I, I mean, I’m just playing with it right now, but I, I keep it out frequently because it’s, it’s just something that’s easy for me, you know? Absolutely. I mean, what are the metaphysical tools, but reminders Yeah. You know, of, of what we can always access and know inside ourselves.

It’s like I, it’s like I, I hold it and I hear it as it’s coming in anyway. Mm-hmm. But it’s mm-hmm. Like, become my method, you know? It’s, yeah. It’s confirmation too. Yeah. Which is really important when you’re on the path of self-trust. I mean, trusting truth is elusive because there’s so many ways we’ve been guided and taught to lie to ourselves.

To perform and being someone who’s been in the performance fields and then being like accidentally becoming like a people pleaser performer and then be like, okay, wait, where is like truth in this though? Because like it doesn’t feel good when I’m like, not my authentic self for other people’s benefit.

So boundaries, putting self first, giving self permission to be like, oh, what feels good for me in this moment, not everybody else. Or the collective sphere when I’m my most authentic, truthful, honest self, trusting self. Totally. Then I give that permission to everybody else in the room. That’s the real power.

That’s like setting the tone. You’re of the room you’re in instead of adjusting to it to be safe. Yeah. You know? Exactly. Yeah. I love that. I love that. And so that, that actually that whole, this whole conversation about the Yes and the no and the embodied practice really leads into your soften, your business of Soften.

Yeah. So why don’t you share with us your story of how that was activated as a womb channeling and what that is, what a light. What was that? Quantum lightbody activation. Qu, yeah, I got the light. Okay. Quantum lightbody activation would be, I’ve experienced it, uh, pieces of it. I don’t know. Maybe if it’s more robust than what I’ve experienced, because Marissa and I have worked together in that way.

She’s. Shown me what she does, and it’s beautiful and amazing, and I can’t recommend it enough if you’re really looking to get into your body. She’s very highly skilled in that capacity, but why don’t you share with everybody your journey on how you brought that forward. I love moving through the day honoring.

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Absolutely. I’ll back up just a touch because after the essential oil from both directions and herbalism training, which is so useful, and I love Chestnut Herbal Medicine school, like I, I adore them in Asia Solar who used to work with them or maybe still does. She actually was the bridge for me into alternate forms of healing and writing as healing.

Absolutely gorgeous writer. And she is, whether she calls herself it or not, she’s a multidimensional energy healer. I kind of like started following her, subscribed to her email and then was like, oh, she’s doing energy work and all this other stuff. And then my sister-in-law’s friend was practicing shamanism.

So I started to have a couple sessions and I was like, wow, these visions I’m having, and she was having, the practitioner was having the same visions as me. So I was like, oh, there’s truth in what I see in my mind’s eye. There’s all this other ways of healing that doesn’t require anything. No supplements.

Mm-hmm. No in intervention or invasion of any kind on the body. Right? And so that started me down the path of. Basically every energy tool out there, EFT, you know the emotion code with the magnets, the shamanism. I made my own drum with a buffalo hide. I started going to different like community meetups with shamanism.

Meditations worked into meeting Z. All of the different aspects of the unknown, of the perception of self through just the third eye, just the crown chakra, just the body as the vehicle for healing. Alone by itself. And so then I was in a guided womb meditation in 2020 and I had my hands on my womb and I was just, I got this like phrase that wouldn’t stop like talking chattering in my body.

And it’s hard to describe what it feels like when you have your body speaking until you get to know that for yourself. But it’s like it speaks in its own language, but it translates it to English. And so I just kept hearing, feeling soften into your authentic self, soften into your authentic self, soften into your authentic self.

So I like left. I like winked my eye open to write, soften into your into self. And I went back into the meditation and it quieted. I was like, okay, I needed to write that down. That was important. Mm-hmm. And then, and then slowly just started wanting to be like, oh, maybe I like when I talk to people, I can bring up energy healing.

Oh, maybe like I can remind people that they’re their own best healer. Oh, maybe I can help other people to find this sort of empowered self. Thing that I feel on this path. Mm-hmm. And so eventually that built and then like 2022 is when I really connected that wound meditation, the soften into your authentic self.

And oh, that’s like what I want to gift humanity. That’s the key code. And more than it just being a business, it’s like a mission, um, that I self chose my ancestors rooted for me in doing and what a quantum life body restoration or activation session is. Yeah. Basically I just, I hop into someone else’s light body and I guide them in listening to the signs and the symbols and the representations.

I guide them in knowing themselves more deeply. Mm-hmm. I guide them in learning how to utilize love and peace and harmony as the medicine for the pain, the fear, the guilt, the shame and where it’s been living, and how it’s been kicking up dust that we call symptoms. Yeah. Yeah. That’s awesome. I love it.

Well, let me show people too. Let me put these up for everybody. This is, this is where you can book the appointment, right? Mm-hmm. And just to be sure everybody knows it is soften, do set more. If you’re just listening to this, it’s S-E-T-M-O-R e.com. That’s soften, S-O-F-T-E-N dot set more S-E-T-M-O-R e.com.

And let’s see if I can actually, hang on. I wanna show everybody, let me share while you do that. Yeah, yeah, go ahead. I, I do offer a free 20 minute intro session and as well, I really want everything to be accessible because I’ve been, poverty has been a huge initiation for me as well, so if anyone can’t afford.

A session in any way, shape or form. Let’s play with trades, community trades. Let’s see what abundance you do have. You know, that’s something I really learned is sometimes you just have an abundance of things you don’t see of as having true value, but they do. And so getting out of this sort of forced economic system where money is the God and king of all, and only value of currency, really, we all hold and possess so many forms of currency to exchange with.

And you can find me in all these other places that you just, yeah, this is, this is, this is great. This is the other, I should say, should put that one up. This is the, A way to contact her and it’s beacons.ai/soften. And so she’s got here all of her different connections and right on that page there too, if you click through the second one down, it says book your appointment and that will take you right to that soften dot set more.com.

Mm-hmm. And so is there a spot here you had said you would do, like you said second. Second from the bottom, quantum activation. That is great. The quantum activation. Mm-hmm. Okay. So that’s where they would book that um, session. Mm-hmm. Yep. Great. Awesome. And then also wanted to just share with everybody, I’ll leave that up for a second.

Marissa also has a few different social media places. I think you’re pretty. You’ve got two on Instagram. It’s at under Marissa, MARI, SSA Rose, ROSE under, is that right? Yes. Okay. And then the second one is at underscore soften, S-O-F-T-E-N underscore, right. Yes. Perfect. And then you’re also pretty visible on TikTok and that’s at soften into you.

I think everybody knows. S-O-F-T-E-N-I-N-T-O-Y-O-U. And then we’ve also got your Substack as well. Marissa is, as you can tell, a writer, and so if you wanna find out more about what her writing site, you can find her over on Substack at Marissa. And tell me, I’m saying your last name correctly. Am I? You are Wara.

Okay, cool. Wara awesome MA. It’s at M-A-R-I-S-S-A-W-A-R-A-K-S-A, Marissa Wara. And that’s the Substack. And let me just, there we go. Awesome. What did I forget? Is there anything else that you feel like we should speak to or anything else you wanna say about your business? I would say my Substack is like a place for me to play with pieces of my storytelling that will eventually build into a sort of memoir essay book thing.

So it ha, the book will have the same name as the Substack has right now, which is, healing is an art form. And I feel like that really is the apex of what I’m here to transmit, to humanity is healing yourself through self-expression, through creative permission. And yeah, I feel, yeah, I feel completely that.

I love that. Okay, cool. And so let’s leave everybody, just to put you totally on the spot, but is there one thing that you would recommend that they could do to, that would guide them into their own intuition and, and self-expression? That’s, I mean, these things, these things that we can play with are free, right?

Mm-hmm. So what’s one fun thing that you love doing or that you think everyone could benefit from? Honestly, if you don’t know your body’s yes and no. Go take a bath or go in the shower or go somewhere quiet or go into nature. Ask yourself, ask your body what it feels like, what pleasure feels like, what pain feels like, because then you at least have the codex to move forward with.

Then you have the primary tool for trusting yourself, for trusting that your intuition is always speaking through you, and that it’s actually the freest, most accessible tool you could ever have. I love that. That is perfect. Oh my goodness. Thank you so much, Marissa. I love, thank you. Let me just take this one thing.

Ah, it’s so good. I’m so glad we finally got to do this. This has has been fantastic. Yeah. Yes. Oh, and I also wanted to show the two books that I utilize in metaphysical Self-Healing. Cool. I love, so the first one is called Metaphysical Anatomy by Yvette Rose. I love that one. It’s a such a tome. And she goes over the energetic roots of any physical symptoms.

Also mental, emotional, and this one has been my favorite recently, the Encyclopedia of Ailments and Diseases. Basically, Jacques Martel and a couple of assistants to create this book. They have created an affirmation based way of slowly reading what they wrote to unpack the wound and then affirm the healing.

Oh, it’s gold. It’s gold. Awesome. Can you put that up one more time, because mm-hmm. I what it, okay. Ailments and Diseases, the Encyclopedia of Ailments and Diseases. And who’s the author? Sorry. I have to Jacque Martel. Okay, cool. It’s backwards, but M-A-R-T-E-L, is that right? M-A-R-T-E-L? Yes. Perfect. Awesome.

Thank you so much for sharing that. Yeah. Yes. And yeah, just keep us in touch with your journey as you go forward, and if you have anything else that comes up that you feel like we need to jump on for, we’ll get you back in. And yeah, everyone, I’d love to also, at some point when we get the resources page and the services page set up, we can highlight Marissa’s offering so that there’s an easy way to remember where to go.

But we’ll have all of her information will be listed in the show notes and in the details under the videos that are available. So thank you again, Marissa. So grateful and have a beautiful rest of your day. Thank you. You too. Thank you so much for listening. Having Marissa share her story was so powerful.

I love how she clearly described her feeling as a young woman floating around in the abyss of non-helpful adults and looking for a way to come back home. Obviously, she finds her way back home and she has stepped continually back into her intuition and uses her body as a guiding light. I hope that you will follow Marissa on her social media channels.

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